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    hairlikecammackhairlikecammack
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    I seem to remember a Michelle Harness interview from last year saying that the playing budget needs to be around £1.1mm. Can anyone confirm what our playing budget is?

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    Rene ArtoisRene Artois
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    They’ve scaled it back – the rain this morning meant that the car boot takings were well down due to a lack of footfall.
    Stu’s scratch cards may have stalled too?

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    hairlikecammackhairlikecammack
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    I’ve taken a look at some of our rivals for this year and estimated what their playing budgets will be based on their accounts , attendance and articles

    Carlisle had a playing budget of £4.3mm last year and don’t seem to have scaled back much.
    Southend seems to be £3.4, which is interesting as they only had a £2.5mm turnover last year.
    These two are betting on getting league status and without it could well be in trouble.

    York lost 200k last year and given their attendance I would estimate their playing budget to be around £2mm
    Hartlepool lost £800k last year so I would estimate their playing budget to be just under £2mm. Although they do appear to be trying to reduce this so things are not great at the monkey hangers.
    Forest Green are interesting as they have a revenue of £8mm, which is four times ours. Most of this is from sponsorship and has to be given that they have no fans. They lost £3.5mm last year so I assume they have a high playing budget and they are also gambling with their future. The appointment of Lily Savage would also indicate a high playing budget.

    On the other end of the scale, there is Gateshead who have a high turnover of players and Morecambe who are screwed and only have ten registered players.

    All this being considered it was Barnet who went up as champions with a modest playing budget

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    Interesting question.

    That doesn’t sound a million miles away from what an average NL budget might look like and what ours is, but clubs very rarely release specific figures – and even full accounts are oblique enough not to reveal the actual number.

    Wrexham ran at nearly £7m the year they went up and Oldham and Southend are rumoured to be at around the £3m+ mark.

    Other end of the scale, some clubs will be running significantly less at sub £1m.

    The perceived wisdom is that player salaries should be between 60/80% of turnover – assuming no special factors are in play – such as a wealthy backer or, conversely, chronic financial issues.

    Pre Covid – our turnover was running in the 3.5m region but that is misleading – because I believe League 2 clubs receive circa 1.5m each in solidarity payments from the PL whilst NL clubs get next to nothing.

    I suspect (and this is mere speculation) that our net turnover (leaving aside VAT on sales etc) currently sits at somewhere in the region of £2m+, so £1.1m would be say in the region of 50%, which given our precarious financial position seems about right.

    The issue besides that is that if you have say 20 players all on £1k a week that doesn’t mean your budget is £1m a year – it is significantly higher when taking into account NI contributions, pension contributions, incidentals such as bonuses etc.

    The last set of figures I looked at indicated only 2 NL sides broke even that particular season……meaning the majority are living beyond their means which is always possible in the short term but not sustainable in the long term – as we’ve recently found out.

    So, we will probably have to accept that there will be clubs in that league who aren’t getting our numbers through the turnstile but are operating on bigger budgets for whatever reason at the current time.

    The perfect example is Kouogun going to Hartlepool – a side getting a fair number less through the turnstiles than us but who are clearly able and willing to pay more at this time (because it’s fairly obvious he hasn’t gone up there for the weather!)

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    hairlikecammackhairlikecammack
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    This needs to be considered when querying certain player decisions that Butler is making. He will be limited by his budget set by the owners who haven’t got deep enough pockets to sustain any losses (and nor should they )

    The difference in budgets between ours and particularly Carlisle, Southend and Forest Green will be behind Butler’s comments around supporters expectations for the new season. Although I don’t think he should be making such comments before a ball has been kicked.

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    Spot on there. He can only sign who he can afford.

    If he had a blank chequebook then Fitzsimons wouldn’t have gone and we’d have Messi up front etc etc etc – but it’s not the way life works.

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    This thread is far too sensible for this board.

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    WonderGoalsWonderGoals
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    If he had a blank chequebook then Fitzsimons wouldn’t have gone

    Nobody has forgotten the financial constraints the club has. All people were saying “me included” was that there were experienced GK who are showcasing themselves at the performance centre for out of contract players and doubting they would want a lot due to just being happy to be back in football.

    No doubt they would have wanted more than Watson and York, but that’s down to Butler to spread the money out and spend his budget wisely.

    If you’re that skint you have to sign Watson on a non fee loan instead of signing an out of contract GK wanting modest wages, then you’ve clearly not used the money correctly.

    Nobody was ever expecting us to go out and sign a league proven GK.

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    You keep wanging on about this centre for out of contract keepers like it’s nirvana. If it’s such an amazing pool of talent perhaps ask yourself why those players are there and why they continue to be there? You also make a huge assumption that they’ll play for peanuts but don’t seem to entertain the real possibility that they might have an income threshold they need to meet and if any offers aren’t substantial enough, they quite possibly need to look at alternative careers that remunerate them sufficiently for their needs.

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    ‘Nobody was ever expecting us to go out and sign a league proven GK.’

    Some definitely were. Seen it posted numerous times on social media.

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    I’m confused WG.

    Watson is proven in the league – he’s played close to 100 games in League 1 & 2. What the public wanted the public got.

    Quality is a slightly different question and you can argue about his abilities, but what you can’t argue about is that he has significant higher league experience – miles more than Fitzsimons has by some margin, who I’m not actually sure has ever played a game of league football.

    You also mention a ‘non fee loan’. I’m not familiar with that term.

    You’re not suggesting that out of sympathy York are continuing to pick up his salary are you?

    Or that it would be usual for a NL side to demand a loan fee up front from another NL side for a player – so this must be a bargain basement deal?

    Loan fees are for the PL mate, not the NL.

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    The only thing Watson is proven at in the league is shipping goals for fun. There’s a reason he’s only played 14 games since he left us in 2022.

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    The only thing Watson is proven at in the league is shipping goals for fun. There’s a reason he’s only played 14 games since he left us in 2022.

    Yet clubs keep giving him playing contracts, strange.

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    Is 5 clean sheets from 15 league starts at York ‘shipping goals’? Can’t see any York fans pleased to see him loaned out.

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    They haven’t missed him yet.

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