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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    Blaming Watson for their goal is frankly ridiculous. Result of poor defending, again.

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    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    Blaming Watson for their goal is frankly ridiculous. Result of poor defending, again.

    Well it was WG so what else is new?

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    It was a result of 3 or 4 mistakes the last of which was a bit of fairly poor goalkeeping.

    Pretty sure Rory would agree. All goalkeepers make mistakes but those that make too many cease to be number one choice in professional football teams. Pretending they didn’t happen doesn’t make them go away.

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    There were a few villains of the piece and Watson wasn’t really to blame.

    Evans first attempted clearance after an awful first touch was poor.

    The subsequent throw in was taken 20 yards away from where it should have been and gave them a clear advantage as it got them in behind.

    A chance to clear on the edge of the box was then squandered.

    After Watson had made the initial save (which actually wasn’t a bad one) – the lad who ran in and tapped in did so smoking an absolute cigar without a defender, let alone a challenge, in sight.

    Watson probably slightly over dived for the initial save so it went back into the mix but he was well down my list of culprits for that goal to the point he wasn’t actually on the list at all.

    He also had a very decent game – lest we forget the one on one etc.

    Overall i had no complaints with his performance.

    Sone of the analysis on this board is genuinely funny. It’s like listening to a load of 8 year olds – the goalkeeper let them all in so it must be all his fault we just got done 12-0.

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    mkironMK Iron
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    Didn’t say it was his fault. Just said it was poor goalkeeping.

    Would have been judged poor goalkeeping 40 years ago down at Ashby Ville on a Sunday morning.

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    It was a result of 3 or 4 mistakes the last of which was a bit of fairly poor goalkeeping.

    Pretty sure Rory would agree. All goalkeepers make mistakes but those that make too many cease to be number one choice in professional football teams. Pretending they didn’t happen doesn’t make them go away.

    Pure BS claim that Rory would agree. apb offers a much more reasoned and rational explanation.

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    Didn’t say it was his fault. Just said it was poor goalkeeping.

    Would have been judged poor goalkeeping 40 years ago down at Ashby Ville on a Sunday morning.

    No it wouldn’t. And I saw enough games down there to testify to that.

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    There were a few villains of the piece and Watson wasn’t really to blame.

    Evans first attempted clearance after an awful first touch was poor.

    The subsequent throw in was taken 20 yards away from where it should have been and gave them a clear advantage as it got them in behind.

    A chance to clear on the edge of the box was then squandered.

    After Watson had made the initial save (which actually wasn’t a bad one) – the lad who ran in and tapped in did so smoking an absolute cigar without a defender, let alone a challenge, in sight.

    Watson probably slightly over dived for the initial save so it went back into the mix but he was well down my list of culprits for that goal to the point he wasn’t actually on the list at all.

    He also had a very decent game – lest we forget the one on one etc.

    Overall i had no complaints with his performance.

    Sone of the analysis on this board is genuinely funny. It’s like listening to a load of 8 year olds – the goalkeeper let them all in so it must be all his fault we just got done 12-0.

    Spot on apb. There’s certainly some blow hards around who deem themselves experts in goalkeeping punditry, as tedious and predictable as Match of the Day pundits.

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    Having watched the Boston goal on the highlights i dont think you can pin much blame on Watson ,in fact it was and excellent save from a blind shot just unfortunate how the ball came off him to LJL … sloppy marking players switched off from the quickly taken throw but thats about it , i might add Watson kept us in the game with 2 or 3 superb saves so very harsh him getting stick.

    of course we all have opinions … mine is above

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    ‘very harsh him getting stick’. Some fans want to drive him out the club. They might have a bit of credence if he really was that bad, but he really isn’t.

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    Were allowed opinions if the moderators agree with them.

    I called out Evans and Beestin having had poor games. That’s allowed apparently but call out a goalkeeping error and I’m driving him out of the club.

    Only people I have ever wanted to drive out of the club in my 60 years have been Swann and Hilton. Maybe Keith Hill as well.

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    Why are you bringing ‘moderators’ in to a difference of opinion? No one’s deleted your opinions so it’s a moot point. Say what you like about Watson but don’t be surprised if some take umbrage with it. It’s a forum not gospel.

    You also seem to have taken my comments about some supporters trying to drive out Watson personally. I’m not aware you’re one of those supporters. Matt Ellis and Wondergoals certainly are. Matt has literally posted words to that effect and others will be aware of it. Even if you’re not.

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    Evans has been magnificent this season, however, had he taken either of his opportunities (both routine) to clear then we wouldn’t be discussing Watson.

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    Watson stopped a good shot flying with force. It’s not his fault our defence led to that and the player running in and seizing the rebound opportunity. Slow and sloppy defending yet again. Massive room for improvement which I’m optimistic can be worked on and reduced.

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    Rene ArtoisRene Artois
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    Starbuck was in advance of the sneaky throw in.
    Benehouan continues to worry me.
    Evans major faux pas!
    Benehouan could have had a second bite at the cherry but he’s flat footed, too slow and doesn’t close down.
    Rory, unsighted, makes a good save.
    Fortune didn’t favour him (Rory) and it ricochets to their guy.
    Horton thought he’d heard a Who? He arrives on the scene with the sweet trolly. Main course already served and digested.

    I can’t apportion blame to Rory.
    The back four have to stand up and be counted.

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    lesgeolesgeo
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    Evans can argue that he took some pretty heavy treatment from Boston.

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    Evans fault this one.

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    Rene ArtoisRene Artois
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    Evans fault this one.

    Agreed.

    Having said everything:
    Still only lost one in the league.
    Joint third lowest goals conceded.
    6th most goals scored.

    We think we’ve got it bad?

    Poor old Aldershot; joint second highest scorers in the league on 28 goals, just one behind Carlisle… yet, they’ve conceded 33 goals, sitting in 19th place on just 13 points from 15 games.
    They’ve scored more goals than league leaders Rochdale!

    I think we’re doing fine.
    Mistakes happen – let’s not crucify the players.
    They are doing better than we expected.
    Well done AB, staff & players!
    UTI

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    Perhaps this is why these players are plying their trade in the National League rather than the Premier League?

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    cassidystashcassidystash
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    England’s Number 1 won’t have slept well this weekend! Worse than anything that our keepers have done this season. It happens to the best, let’s remember that.

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    Exactly why this obsession with targeting our keepers as ‘not good enough and never will be’; ‘sunday league’; ‘Dog & Duck’; and so bad some prominent voices want them out the club is driving some of us to distraction. Others squeaking on the sidelines are simply amplifying it. Get a grip.

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    Your obsession with the keeper’s came from the fact that we lost our number 1 to Northampton, and therefore needed a new goalkeeper to take his place.
    Pre season turned up and Butler announces Maison will be number 1 even without having another keeper in the building, that showing the backup won’t be as strong as fans would want to see.
    Enter Rory Watson and the fans get said answer.
    In the meantime preseason gets going and Maison was showing nothing that fans who went to watch to say that he was ready and should be number 1.
    Don’t get why you can’t except that fans will target anyone who they thinks not up to the mark, Beck and others are fair game when they play Rene will testify to that.

    Watched their goal on Saturday now and you could say good save, but also you can say what’s he doing diving to the right and an easy push out for a corner, but ends up somehow sending it left into the danger area for an easy tap in, I’m with what’s he doing, deffo a mistake but not alone in the whole goal event.
    Move on shit happens so long as lessons are learnt.

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    The defence of the goalkeeper comes about because there are some, including WonderGoals on this thread, who treat every single goal conceded as a chance to talk about how ‘right’ they are with regards to a ‘goalkeeping crisis’ at the club because they stated there would be one from having Campbell and Watson as goalies.

    It was made out we would likely be struggling because of their poor goalkeeping, yet we rarely concede more than one goal a game and many of the goals conceded have others culpable and aren’t the howlers they are often initially derided as. This hyperbolic criticism is bound to get pushback.

    I don’t get why the criticism can’t be a little more measured. Watson doesn’t keep as many clean sheets as Fitzsimons and many of the goals he does concede are ‘could do better’ even if they aren’t the Sunday League level howlers they are referred to. Would we need a better goalkeeper to push on? Maybe, but this is the National League and with a few tweaks sorted, Watson at least could be an OK keeper at this level.

    It’s hard to have measured debate when a section just want to speak as if we have plonked some bloke from the pub in net.

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    ironfromafarironfromafar
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    Blaming Watson for their goal is frankly ridiculous. Result of poor defending, again.

    agree .. good save by RW a tad unlucky how it bounced out.

    The few seconds prior were a shambles defensively Evans with the daft giveaway thrown in and other switching off is unfortunate but these things happen in football ..

    btw Evans has been brilliant this season so one mistake should not warrant any real negative comments IMO so lets move on to Eastleigh.

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