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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    Noticed someone on the Facebook group replied to Butler’s well meaning plea for supporter group harmony by requesting Bru to be shut down. Strewth. Fair play for trying Andy.

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    They no doubt think they are helping Butler’s case because they think the problems with division are only sourced from Bru, without the self-reflection to see that their bitterness is part of the problem.

    I think Butler is right though and I won’t pretend it’s all one side’s fault. There have been digs at others (Maw, Iron Hour etc) on here and maybe it is time we just move on from differences that came to the forefront mostly in the Hilton era.

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    Wholeheartedly agree, just a shame the post I cited appeared so soon. Nevermind.

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    Plenty of digs at one another here on Bru never mind the almost obsessive interest in what folks on other platforms have to say.

    I agree though Sidy – 2 years should be long enough to put to bed the bitterness that erupted during the fraudsters reign.

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    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    Yeah I thought the forum was a refreshing change from the tripe Swann and Hilton served up in their time with the club, as for Matt and peoples eyes going up into their head when his name was mentioned last night. Well Matt was one of the main people involved in getting the fans fundraiser started when the club didn’t have a pot to piss in and players and staff were going unpaid, just a thought.

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    ‘Sustainability’ was mentioned and Sharp said the club are not a million miles off it, or some such. That mixed in with ‘7 figure’ investments (in reality loans?) and the need to bring in more investment to achieve ‘sustainability’ but also needing to pay the loans back in the future: I’m struggling to marry this up. How can we be truly sustainable while we owe loans back? Essentially in debt. Maybe I’ve misunderstood but the maths / logic doesn’t quite add up. If there is another forum in the future it would be helpful if the fiscal side was explained in a little more detail. Right now, debts in the form of loans whilst seeking more investment (loans?) does not equal sustainability, I don’t think. One thing’s for sure, if FCbollocks had gone ahead and been successful (highly debatable), the current Directors loans might have been paid back.

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    They no doubt think they are helping Butler’s case because they think the problems with division are only sourced from Bru, without the self-reflection to see that their bitterness is part of the problem.

    I think Butler is right though and I won’t pretend it’s all one side’s fault. There have been digs at others (Maw, Iron Hour etc) on here and maybe it is time we just move on from differences that came to the forefront mostly in the Hilton era.

    ilove my home town club and choose different ways around fan groups to support the club even from overseas, i stand by my opinion that i dont like how this back slapping UNITY crusade has morphed and the chest puffing of Maw n Co plus spot light seeking of others… that does not make me any less of a loyal fan.
    Open season slagging off Bru seems to be fine yet the slightest negative comment towards Unity etc is treated as a offense worthy of bull whipping.

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    I didn’t say it was fine. They need to look at themselves in the mirror, especially if they are bemoaning lack of unity.

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    As regarding the ” fiscal side” DM refers too , it may get pushed away in any real detail at a future forum, Michelle said on more than one occasion last night that maybe she was ” saying too much ” when answering questions about financial matters and the CCJ regarding the ” washing machine saga “. I must say the amounts being payed out on a monthly basis on those washing machines sounded absolutely ga ga.., know wonder we aren’t financially sustainable yet if that is just one example of ridiculous spending.

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    Butler seems to know a lot about the fan groups seeing though he’s doesn’t do the social media.
    Wonder who’s being bending his ear i hope he put them in their place for adding to the discord, he never said!
    Michelle only gave an answer about the ccj because Matt pressed her on it doubt we’d have heard without him finding there was one, transparency what transparency washgate should have been highlighted when Michelle had steaded the ship even just to let the fans know what the club was facing historically, what better to galvanize the fans knowing that, might have even got more monetary help from the fans.
    Instead we get the story last night and everybody lived happily ever after, seems dodgy to me.
    Right got to go the women’s rugby is on, shock horror our women players can play in England traditional white shorts.<o

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    Right got to go the women’s rugby is on,

    Eng 69-7 USA

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    #310204
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    Right got to go the women’s rugby is on,

    Eng 69-7 USA

    Watched the first half, game was won by then, USA notoriously run out of steam the longer the game goes on, England just keep going. England are the best ladies rugby union team in the world currently and this competition being played over here is their best chance ever to win the World Cup again, go Roses.

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    #310207
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    Yeah I thought the forum was a refreshing change from the tripe Swann and Hilton served up in their time with the club, as for Matt and peoples eyes going up into their head when his name was mentioned last night. Well Matt was one of the main people involved in getting the fans fundraiser started when the club didn’t have a pot to piss in and players and staff were going unpaid, just a thought.

    The money raised by IRON BRU’s appeal that went worldwide probably saved the club.

    Even Michelle has to admit it gave her a breathing space. Staff and players could have walked – they had not been paid and if we had failed to play a fixture then that could have been the end.

    And people need to remember that !

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    #310208
    ironfromafarironfromafar
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    The AB video clip from the fans forum has been pulled from the FB page ..it was getting a bit silly with notorious BRU hater Jason Hinsley calling for us to be banned leading to a few fiesty exchanges ..in between slagging Bru in various ways ironically he was bemoaning our lack of unity thus so the pot calling the kettle black springs to mind.
    It isnt the first time this guy has had a pop and he most certainly has an agenda against Bru apparently their are only a handful of members posting on here and most are negative haters of the club , BovD and some players
    Mr Hinsley reads Bru but chooses not to post .. so hey if you read this please stop your silly crusade against Bru as its making you look a bit of a plonker.

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    #310209
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    Noticed someone on the Facebook group replied to Butler’s well meaning plea for supporter group harmony by requesting Bru to be shut down. Strewth. Fair play for trying Andy.

    Those morons are still bitter they got conned by Dave 10names. It’s them Sycophantic wallies that should just crawl away

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    Another step forward Dragoniron . Classic bit of name calling

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    Just like local politics

    #310227
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    I find this narrative weird, when the facebook group set up several migrated from here and it became the “anti bru” which was a pity ,Jason seems very bitter still as does Vim Fuego .I personally see as many chances to chat and share views with Iron fans we can get is a positive ,sadly they chose to make it about them Vs iron bru,once Hilton came the rhetoric ramped up and the abuse for this site and it’s admin went through the roof and was at times quite scarey .Even Awaywego saw how bad it became .The group admin not only allowed this to fester they ,especially that Tom encouraged it and deleted any comments to the contrary, when questioned about that he said he basically admitted he was deleting stuff he doesn’t agree with .
    The story with the Iron Hour is similar, which is sad really .Gareth had a nice little webcast thing which was popular and sat quite comfortably with the Bru cast as an option for fans which was great for fans to have that choice ,I personally am a fan of Mp3 style cast as it’s more accessible for driving and listening. Sadly When he was joined by the Marx Brother they chose to use their 1st big break after what looked like a nice bit if funding had been received to point fans of Hilton towards thinking Bru as Being in cahoots with Peter Swann ,and they advertised their Hilton interview with quotes accusing Iron Bru. The abuse that followed included death threats. They’re still quite unrepentant.
    As for the misnamed unity group, they from the minute they set up chose to attack the trust, some of them did anyway . Which again was quite unfortunate, there’s many ways of helping SUFC and the unity model is one of them and it’s not for anyone to judge them for doing that. I just cannot see why they chose to launch the way they did with such vitriol.
    As for Andy Butler’s comments I haven’t seen them but they are being protrayed as a shot at Bru and the trust .I think he should look at the background of the annoyance felt at the above if that really is the case

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    I think Butler was directing it at everyone. The anti Bru types will assume it’s for Bru and the Trust because they think they have no issues, despite their own name calling and provocations, so assume Butler thinks the same way.

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    I personally see my comments as a response and had they just set up an dg t on with things there’d be no issues. There’s room for everyone .I’m not going to forgive though not until we get proper apologies.
    I would add that Matt and Matt have said nicer things about the one called barra and the hapless Gareth, I guess they’re just more forgiving

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    I find this narrative weird, when the facebook group set up several migrated from here and it became the “anti bru” which was a pity ,Jason seems very bitter still as does Vim Fuego .I personally see as many chances to chat and share views with Iron fans we can get is a positive ,sadly they chose to make it about them Vs iron bru,once Hilton came the rhetoric ramped up and the abuse for this site and it’s admin went through the roof and was at times quite scarey .Even Awaywego saw how bad it became .The group admin not only allowed this to fester they ,especially that Tom encouraged it and deleted any comments to the contrary, when questioned about that he said he basically admitted he was deleting stuff he doesn’t agree with .
    The story with the Iron Hour is similar, which is sad really .Gareth had a nice little webcast thing which was popular and sat quite comfortably with the Bru cast as an option for fans which was great for fans to have that choice ,I personally am a fan of Mp3 style cast as it’s more accessible for driving and listening. Sadly When he was joined by the Marx Brother they chose to use their 1st big break after what looked like a nice bit if funding had been received to point fans of Hilton towards thinking Bru as Being in cahoots with Peter Swann ,and they advertised their Hilton interview with quotes accusing Iron Bru. The abuse that followed included death threats. They’re still quite unrepentant.
    As for the misnamed unity group, they from the minute they set up chose to attack the trust, some of them did anyway . Which again was quite unfortunate, there’s many ways of helping SUFC and the unity model is one of them and it’s not for anyone to judge them for doing that. I just cannot see why they chose to launch the way they did with such vitriol.
    As for Andy Butler’s comments I haven’t seen them but they are being protrayed as a shot at Bru and the trust .I think he should look at the background of the annoyance felt at the above if that really is the case

    I agree with most of this. I find Marco smug and Max insufferable – but I don’t have any huge non-podcast experience of them. That’s just how they come across in general. Gareth’s ok.

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    Gareth did have that episode of envious and unbecoming snide remarks on twitter about Harness appearing on the Bru pod last year, but he is human and mostly fine. Barra seems a professional and decent guy at heart, trying to be understanding towards others. Marco and Max have displayed the most divisiveness with snide jabs at Bru over Swann, with Max spreading lies at times. Though, they do get it back from Matt Ellis.

    I think part of the problem is that Marco and Max have never apologised for their own stirring of the pot, while blaming others.

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    I am Treasurer of the Winterton Iron Supporters Group. When we started we got flak from some parties, some suggested we had no right to even exist !! Well 18 years later we are still here, supporting the Club, various charities and local youngsters involved in sport ( after written application & approval) We plough our own furrow. Many of our membership are members of various other Supporters Groups, we have members all over the UK and one or two abroad. This year we are raising money for the Lincs & Notts Air Ambulance, joining fees are going in that direction. We don’t like to fall out with anyone. UTWI

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    #310279
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    Sharp made me laugh during the fans forum. The key word of the night “transparency” was used from Sharp when talking about the fc100 deal, even though himself and George featured live on a podcast a few months before the potential deal was leaked stating no deal was to be done.

    Sharp then started to crow about how great the deal was, to then mention 60 seconds later that 7 clubs were interested and not one went through with it lol

    How the board can keep using the word transparency after trying to push the deal through secretly is mind boggling.

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    ‘even though himself and George featured live on a podcast a few months before the potential deal was leaked stating no deal was to be done.’

    Ah, though you may or may not recall that in that same podcast interview, George made a comment that kind of contradicted the ‘no deal’ position. At least two of us picked up on it so there must have been more. This is why it’s important to listen carefully to what’s said from the horse’s mouth. Say yes, take your point about ‘transparancy’.

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    On Humberside today Ollie mentioned a Director being interviewed by them on Thursday

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    I find this narrative weird, when the facebook group set up several migrated from here and it became the “anti bru” which was a pity ,Jason seems very bitter still as does Vim Fuego .I personally see as many chances to chat and share views with Iron fans we can get is a positive ,sadly they chose to make it about them Vs iron bru,once Hilton came the rhetoric ramped up and the abuse for this site and it’s admin went through the roof and was at times quite scarey .Even Awaywego saw how bad it became .The group admin not only allowed this to fester they ,especially that Tom encouraged it and deleted any comments to the contrary, when questioned about that he said he basically admitted he was deleting stuff he doesn’t agree with.

    I’ve a mate who was a big Hilton Cheerleader on SUFG arguing with long term fans(He only started to be interested going to games a few years ago), Criticising Butler etc. However when we got promoted he was straight on the Butler/Harness bandwagon.

    He’s now a Reform cheerleader on Facebook so he’s moved on to similar things..

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    I find this narrative weird, when the facebook group set up several migrated from here and it became the “anti bru” which was a pity ,Jason seems very bitter still as does Vim Fuego .I personally see as many chances to chat and share views with Iron fans we can get is a positive ,sadly they chose to make it about them Vs iron bru,once Hilton came the rhetoric ramped up and the abuse for this site and it’s admin went through the roof and was at times quite scarey .Even Awaywego saw how bad it became .The group admin not only allowed this to fester they ,especially that Tom encouraged it and deleted any comments to the contrary, when questioned about that he said he basically admitted he was deleting stuff he doesn’t agree with.

    I’ve a mate who was a big Hilton Cheerleader on SUFG arguing with long term fans(He only started to be interested going to games a few years ago), Criticising Butler etc. However when we got promoted he was straight on the Butler/Harness bandwagon.

    He’s now a Reform cheerleader on Facebook so he’s moved on to similar things..

    So basically your mate is a populism supporter, yeah quite a lot thinking that way these days. Just an opinion but he might be better thinking through things himself and really looking at all angles before jumping on a bandwagon because others are doing the same thing.

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    He’s made a complete arse of himself tbf, however the Internet never forgets…

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    https://x.com/fans64/status/1962166495783362970?t=b8R1cuuDwB8BQLj_MNgqHg&s=19
    Andy Butler is wrong,some groups are better than others,we would never allow racists to post overtly like this.Tge Facebook group has to ratify it’s posts so they can’t claim to not have seen this

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