Digital ID.

[billpuntonsghost]

The totalitarian,Marxist ideological state,anti free-speech ,etc ,is starting to take shape nicely. It’s a long march but so long to our freedoms,which many on here will be rejoicing.

[billpuntonsghost]

..by the way,they’re doing it for your own good ( always the best way to convince the unsuspecting public.)

[Iron-awe]

Yes I expect HIGNFY to be removed off air because it takes the piss out of whichever government is in office and The Last Leg will deffo get banned, I’m sure Trump would approve.

[Deereyme66]

‘The totalitarian,Marxist ideological state’

What planet are you on?

[Iron Age]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

The totalitarian,Marxist ideological state,anti free-speech ,etc ,is starting to take shape nicely. It’s a long march but so long to our freedoms,which many on here will be rejoicing.

Is this an example?

https://news.sky.com/story/pentagon-orders-journalists-to-agree-to-new-reporting-rules-or-be-barred-13435347

[Northumbiron]

Deereyme66 wrote:

‘The totalitarian,Marxist ideological state’

What planet are you on?

Probably one of the ones God created on the fourth day, along with the Sun, the Moon and the stars.

Although how four days had passed when there was no Sun is a mystery!

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TwoWrights

[TwoWrights]

Northumbiron wrote:

Deereyme66 wrote:

‘The totalitarian,Marxist ideological state’

What planet are you on?

Probably one of the ones God created on the fourth day, along with the Sun, the Moon and the stars.

Although how four days had passed when there was no Sun is a mystery!

You Tube is your friend, especially for answering difficult questions using BS.

[billpuntonsghost]

..Digital ID Cards announced,nothing to worry about.

[Iron-awe]

Commonplace in Europe apparently according to this evening’s news, the last lot in charge put photo id in place for voting which a lot of people deem unnecessary but it’s no big deal for me. They know who we all are anyway unless you shouldn’t be here of course and maybe the new system might weed a few out who don’t belong. You should spend more time praying bill and less time on here worrying bout nowt, we’d all get a bit more peace and quiet then.

[Gurnelista]

Northumbiron wrote:

Deereyme66 wrote:

‘The totalitarian,Marxist ideological state’

What planet are you on?

Probably one of the ones God created on the fourth day, along with the Sun, the Moon and the stars.

Although how four days had passed when there was no Sun is a mystery!

Yeah. And what was the earth revolving around if there was no Sun, eh?

[Gurnelista]

As if the Sun conundrum weren’t enough, we now know Adam and Eve had a family tree going back millions of years!
The bible needs a rewrite.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx01ve5151o

[billpuntonsghost]

As Scripture is “God-breathed” ( 2 Timothy 3:16),I think you’ll find Biblical revelation takes precedence over Man’s futile theologies,Gurnelista.

[billpuntonsghost]

..just think ..all the rebellious “great” atheists haven’t used your mind-blowing posts to disprove Biblical revelation over the course of the Centuries gone. I would be straight to the publishers with your posts to announce to the world you have categorically found the solution to disprove the truth of Scripture. The fool says,there is no God. There is “Good News”though,Gurnelista.

[TwoWrights]

Rebellious, adjective, showing a desire to resist authority or control.
No imagined deity has any authority or control over me, and never will have. Ergo, I’m not rebellious.
Thirty odd years ago I was splattered by a car and saw it coming, lights out and nothing experienced until I momentarily woke up again. Apart from not waking up death will be the same, it holds no fear for me.

[Gurnelista]

Have you got an answer Bill, to the challenge posed by knowledge of the planets and evolution?
And as for the OP, exactly what freedom are you worried about losing?

[billpuntonsghost]

TwoWrights,you are quoting Scripture! Romans 3:18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes”.

[billpuntonsghost]

Yes,Gurnelista I have. The Bible states,”In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” Your man-made theories with no substance of truth are just that.
Freedoms? Have you ever studied world history?!

[Gurnelista]

So you believe there were talking animals. And there was a global flood, and all the species could get on the ark without flying off, or fighting or sinking it?

And what freedoms are you worried about losing, Bill? You seem very concerned, but haven’t mentioned one!

[billpuntonsghost]

Yes,Christ said ( when tempted by Satan),it is written numerous times. Scripture is God-breathed and useful for teaching ,rebuking ,correcting and training in righteousness(2Timothy 3:16). Your rebellion is explained correctly in Romans chapter 1.There is “ Good News” to those who repent and turn to Christ.
“What freedoms are you worried about losing”
As I stated in my last post ,have you ever studied world history? The 20th century with Marxist ideology led to millions upon millions of deaths,chaos and misery. Hitler had an ideology that rejected God,also.All the ideologies that start with the premise “there is no God” leads to chaos and misery. Take North Korea as a totalitarian regime,the untold horrors and rejection of Biblical truth is another example of turning away from our Creator. Freedoms are only achieved by following the instructions of Holy Scripture. Do we do that perfectly,No,but we have a Saviour in Jesus Christ and we try and glorify God in everything we do,due to the undeserved gift of saving Grace. Hope that helps.

[Siderite]

The existence of other ideologies that have caused harm is not proof that Christianity is any better.

I have tried to stay out of this because I think it’s unfair for people to bring up religion on an unrelated post. I do not agree with your fundamentalist mindset, but don’t want to snark too much to make it seem like I dismiss the more moderate.

In the past, when Christianity was stronger in Europe, pre-enlightenment, many horrors were committed in the name of God. The genocide of the Cathars for being heretics, Crusades, where in the First Crusade, during the sacking of Jerusalem, Jews and Muslims had to scramble to tops of buildings to escape the slaughter for being heathens. Murder of Pagans in the Baltic region by Teutonic knights, the Spanish Inquisition, witch hunting and more. Jews and Romanies endured so much extreme discrimination and persecution by Christians, using the excuses that they are Christ killers or use Christian children for food.

This was the reality of Christian Europe for centuries. Sure, Christianity moderated post-enlightenment, but you have criticised enlightenment mindsets previously, and there has been Christian authoritarianism since. It wasn’t the end. Franco and Ante Pavelic, who was an eager collaborator in the Holocaust, were Christian and based their countries on the religion. Idol worshipping Catholics, so you might just dismiss them.

The problem isn’t godlessness when it comes to causing misery. The problem is ideological certainty and obsession, where people see themselves as being morally pure or right because of their religion or political persuasion. This can lead to dehumanising of the other because they are a different tribe and engage in taboos to the ideology which need to be stamped out, thus eliminating any kind of empathy that might cause the ideologue to refrain from empathy. Religion may give people comfort and a purpose, but it can lead to demonisation of those out of the religion, especially when they see those outside as being tricked by the Devil or in league with it. Politics can give a similar purpose to people and we need to have some sort of framework to believe society should be run by, but it can also lead to demonising others for not being part of your political view, since people think they are right and anyone against it must be wanting to harm society. Especially for the extremes, like fascism or communism, which asserts themselves to be right and makes arguments against those who disagree as being agents of the bourgeois or elite conspiring against the people.

The existence of intolerance outside of Christianity is not evidence that it can be better or that there aren’t other secular worldviews less prone to authoritarianism. You would no doubt see them as communism too and see authoritarianism there anyway because it suits.

I am not going into the talking animal nonsense because a book with unsubstantiated claims is better than evidence we have gleaned through science.

[Gurnelista]

Hmmm… I wonder why non-football isn’t as busy as it used to be.

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Northumbiron

[billpuntonsghost]

…your line where you stated,”where people see themselves as being morally pure or right because of their religion or political persuasion “ “This can lead to dehumanising of the other.. ..”
There have always been Christian “counterfeits” throughout history,that you have lumped together in your argument against true Christianity. The truth of Biblical revelation in the “God-breathed” Holy Scriptures is contrary to how Christian “counterfeits” have acted throughout history.
The true “born again” Christian ( see John chapter 3) is totally different to the Christian “counterfeits” that have used the name in vain,and shown this by their total disregard to Biblical truth and trying to glorify God in everything they do.
You have a false understanding of Christianity,Siderite,and the Gospel message of reconciliation with your Creator. Your lumping together of Christians and people who claim to be,is naive to the extreme.You need to reconsider your foolish claims.

[billpuntonsghost]

…by the way,Siderite,I direct you to Proverbs chapter 1:7 “ The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,but fools despise wisdom and instruction.”
There is “Good News”…do you want me to give you the good News message? Repent and turn to Christ and you will be saved.

[TwoWrights]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

TwoWrights,you are quoting Scripture! Romans 3:18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes”.

Fear God as he ought to be feared, and die only as believers. Quran 3:102.
Time for a change BPG.

[Siderite]

Those Christians would say they are the true Christians, cite sources to prove it, and call others untrue Christians. The no true Christian argument reminds me of ‘true communism has never been tried’ when a Marxist tries to escape the challenges of communist issues. Those communists who were in power would say the are true communists, and those saying otherwise are communist counterfeits.

Besides, I find your arguments to be very much like the intolerant Christians who cause misery for others. Not saying you are like those who used it as justification for killing the heretic, but you have a negative view of and appear hostile to anyone outside your branch of Christianity. Including other Christians on here. It’s this kind of polarised view which can cause tribalism and issues.

[Northumbiron]

“Scripture is God-breathed.”

Was that an early version of the dictaphone?

And aren’t all Christians chipped and ID’d when they’re baptised and confirmed?

[Deereyme66]

Gurnelista wrote:

Hmmm… I wonder why non-football isn’t as busy as it used to be.

Tbh, there’s only been a few handfuls of us on this side for years. Futility and general can’t be arsedness are significant factors in my lower input theses days. Plus no Bucks around, the wind up merchant grand master!

[Iron-awe]

Northumbiron wrote:

“Scripture is God-breathed.”

Was that an early version of the dictaphone?

And aren’t all Christians chipped and ID’d when they’re baptised and confirmed?

Something very similar if bill ever rang you up you could easily think it was a diconthephone.

[64]

These racist pricks want it all ways,thanks to their bleetings we’re losing the freedoms they also claim to hold dear.Cheers BPG

[Fifty Pence]

Gurnelista wrote:

So you believe there were talking animals. And there was a global flood, and all the species could get on the ark without flying off, or fighting or sinking it?

And what freedoms are you worried about losing, Bill? You seem very concerned, but haven’t mentioned one!

Not only find all of the species, house and feed the species, but also manage to get them to make their way to their native locations without leaving any record. Sloths and kangaroos travelling vast distances from Ararat, swimming vast oceans without leaving any bones behind

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