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He’s trying to end the war in Ukraine by causing capitulation and with no concessions, only encouraging further invasion later down the line, when the same pillocks will lambast the invaded country instead of the aggressor for daring not to submit. As if that is the real problem, not the aggressor wanting to rebuild its old empire. And, of course using means like Vogue to build awareness is the real problem, not the aggressor for invading. As a leader drumming up international support, such means are a thing to get the message out.
The funny thing is that all signs show that the last week has seen an increase in popularity of Zelensky within Ukraine because the Ukrainians know what’s up and what faces them if the ignorant armchair dwellers pontificating for them (yes, I know I am one too, but I don’t go around wanging on about what Ukrainians want without looking at public mood). The second most popular candidate is Zaluzhny, who sees Zelensky as not being strong enough on Russia and third placed Poroshenko is again anti-Russia and was seen as the more anti-Russian candidate at the last election. All 3 are supporting Zelensky, overall, in the war.
As for blowing to bits on the battlefield, far more Russians have died (900,000 by many incoming estimates), yet all the ‘pacifists’ don’t bother screaming about that. It’s only Ukraine who is derided for not giving in because only the evil west should have to make anything for peace, even when wronged. All it makes me think is that the people saying this would gladly see the UK abandon territory and give up in face of invasion. Either that or fighting for sovereignty is fine for me, but not for thee.
Putin has said it to others, more than once, that he sees Ukraine, and others, as his right, that they should be part of his domain because they were when Russia/Soviet Union was a Moscow controlled empire. They made no moves against Finland when they joined NATO, despite the apparent provocation of it; in fact they moved troops away afterwards. There is no question as to why many countries, like Estonia or Latvia, joined NATO in the recent decades. It’s because ofm past Russian wars of aggression and rhetoric. Yet NATO have not once invaded Russia, while Russia have continued to attack others and launch chemical weapons attacks in the UK. Their excuses about NATO are propaganda aimed at fooling others. All to make them turn a blind eye to their aggression. It was funny watching Tucker Carlson practically begging Putin to say the war was because of NATO, only for him to reject it and ramble on about Russia being the only legitimate successor to the kingdom of Rus from the Dark Ages. It’s a war of imperialism, regardless of what the self-flagellaters say about western provocation.
Trump’s wonderful peace plan seemingly involves giving Russia what they want and that’s before any true negotiation. There’s no leverage left because they have said and done stuff already that helps them. Anyone who thinks this is a way to peace is a fool, frankly.
As for NATO, I don’t think any European nation is under any illusion that USA is utterly unreliable now, and that is the fault of Trump and the USA. USAID had a lot of soft power behind it, that’s gone. The cooperation and soft power is going, no-one will be so willing to work with them any more and they can’t moan about it. China is investing in such soft power and are gaining more and more influence. They will quite likely eclipse the USA now, despite Trump’s promise to make America great again. He isn’t the sole cause, but he is dealing the killer blow with some style.