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Zelensky has put forward his own stipulations for peace. The problem was that previous bullying gave Ukraine no security for long term peace. The big misunderstanding is that those not pro-Russia or apologising for them doesn’t want peace. That’s not it, but it is recognised that capitulating to Russia with no security guarantees only allows Russia to rearm and try again from a position of greater strength. Of course Starmer, Macron and Zelensky will try and put forward something that is more beneficial to Ukraine that what you’d have gladly had them sign up to.
For someone ‘who just wants peace’ you seem uncaring about how Ukraine can have their sovereignty intact and no further invasions. You, like Trump, put more emphasis on the invaded country, not the aggressor, and I think it’s obvious why. The funniest thing is hearing all these right wingers sound like Corbynites wanging on about peace without consideration as to what it really means. A subjugation of Ukraine to Russia, and all that entails (brutality to the occupied regions) when presumably they would never accept the same happening to the UK. Or maybe they would and are plastic patriots who would gladly surrender sovereignty of British territory to a hostile power, abandoning those living there to war crimes.
The ball will now be in Russia and the USA’s court, but everything the USA has done has given Russia no reason to seek compromise themselves. Why bother when the USA wants to cut off all aid to Ukraine and potentially lifting sanctions without even negotiating or demonstrating peace? They have no incentive not to continue and Ukraine are not going to agree to a surrender deal that gives them no defence from future invasion. And when/if that happens, all the ‘people who just want peace’ will go back to blaming Ukraine and Zelensky, with nothing to say about Russia. The country that invaded because a sovereign Ukraine, that it thinks belongs to its empire, is apparently too much for them.