Reply To: Let Israel loose

[Siderite]

Frankly, I don’t think you have a clue about the situation. Iranian proxies in Lebanon have been launching missiles at Israel for months, then one struck a playground with Druze children in last week. This is a response to that, so to come on and speak of how evil Israel is causing the escalations shows at best an ignorant understanding. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that recent attacks on poor Hamas and allied loons has come after that. It may be unwise, I am not an expert, but it’s impossible to separate from the actions of Iran and its proxies. It’s ridiculous to wail with outrage when Israel respond when you say sod all on how Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran have engaged themselves in this conflict too. You, in this thread, posted that you understand countries like Iran ‘defending’ itself when it is an aggressor. It’s this which makes me take a dim view, because you don’t seem to acknowledge any of that and makes me think you have a huge bias and I could say more, but I don’t want to inflame things further.

None of this means I think there aren’t huge issues with Israel’s conduct. I am aware and horrified by the recent serious and credible allegations of torture of Palestinian detainees. As with the response for some right wing Israelis to rush in and protect suspects from facing retribution. The continued re-evacuations of Palestinians shows a military campaign that isn’t working in its objectives, the ransacking of homes is terrible and there have been cases where there have been catastrophic errors in judgement over targets and that is condemnable. The best solution is of course a ceasefire, but it has to be a realistic one and there have been ones accepted by Israel presented to Hamas, but all get rejected or given demands in return that won’t work. Yet the ‘peace lovers’ never care about that.

This war needs a mutual solution, because the acts on Oct 7th and continued missile fire from Hezbollah and action by Hamas cannot be just forgotten or erased. That’s what started the war and the solution to it needs to be found (release of hostages being key) A ceasefire without unconditional release of hostages is unworkable. For any chance of long term peace Israel will need to change in so many ways, include dispensing the deplorable Netanyahu and Ben-Gvir lot, as well as settler action in the West Bank, among other things. However, similarly, Palestinian groups like Hamas will need to abandon ‘resistance’ and dreams of destroying Israel, inducting its adherents into a martyrdom cult that convinces them that they can die for the cause and mutual cooperation. There have been wrongs committed by both, but I am more bothered about the claims of torture of detainees than Hamas leaders being targeted in Iranian compounds and the like when Iran is itself an aggressor. It’s not the same as taking them out in neutral British territory, since we are not an aggressor in this war. My own disgust in the actions of Hamas is because they have created this war and how that impacts Palestinians, so no I don’t think my anger based on them for creating this horrible situation is remotely like Tommy, who won’t care no matter the slander.