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‘Meanwhile, NGO members, university academics and activists yap about Zionist cabals controlling the media, denial of atrocities on Oct 7th, how Hitler had a point and how Jews are an evil oppressor class’
And with one clean sweep of the brush…legitimate criticism is demonised. Hello Donald.
I didn’t realise these examples were ‘legitimate criticism of Israel’. I wasn’t using this to criticise people like IronAge for saying Israeli TV has bias. I am using it to criticise the specific antisemites, but it is impossible to call that out because you would just say that this is demonising ‘legitimate criticism of Israel’.
Meanwhile, university academics on twitter have said such comments about Jews, made calls in support of the ‘resiistance’ on Oct 7th and deans have said that calls for genocide of Jews are not necessarily antisemitic. Yet ‘the problem’ are those calling out this blatant antisemitism, not the antisemitism itself. Talk about gaslighting. There are plenty of ways to criticise Israel and I am not calling that out as antisemitic. Iron-Awe said that Netanyahu is a right wing maniac who is callous with human life. I agree, and that isn’t antisemitic, nor is this what I am talking about. However, behind those making more sensible criticism are the antisemites and it is not ‘gaslighting’ to criticise them, especially when it is highly relevant to the point being discussed.
It’s relevant to talk about what other Jews think, given you were claiming Peston’s Jewishness was being dismissed when I have seen several Jews disagree with him. If I was to agree with him, I would be dismissing them ‘as Jews’. The point is that this was an illogical argument. I am just disagreeing, it’s haerdly ‘Bucks mark 2’ to do so and I am not the one gaslighting. You are complaining about making broad brush comments, but I am not, yet you are doing so with me trying to make out I am criticising anyone critical of Israel. I am not.