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‘Dowden trotted out the same meaningless phrase “we expect the Israelis to use restraint” this morning.
They aren’t are they.’
Seemingly being ignored.
Not really, I didn’t have much to say on it, because I have nothing against Dowden, Labour, Sanders or others saying such. They should, and should do more, especially if Netanyahu continues to move the aims away from a response to Oct 7th. There has been talk from Biden’s administration of moving away from support if so, and I agree with it.
The point is that the current situation is a conflict caused by Hamas. Civilian casualties are horrible, but are a feature of every single war. Most civilians killed have so far been a result of situations of war, just like others. Hence the comparisons to the conduct of the US, because to be consistent both would have to be opposed based on civilian casualties. If there was another way than war after Hamas broke ceasefire on Oct 7th, it would be great, but none have given one except for Israel should stop attacking and let Hamas bombard them and think they can successfully repeat Oct 7th, which is not feasible. I am not saying people want Oct 7th to repeat, but this is the situation for Israel. Hamas won’t stop firing missiles or attempting such no matter what. No other state would accept that.
Of course Israel is governed by its own gang of fascists, the IDF has likely had lapse screening for members under Netanyahu. This is all true, but doesn’t remove the need for Israel to defend itself. I realise I have been weak in condemning such from Israel before, but the reason for conflict is not on Israel. If it wasn’t for Hamas there would be no war. Some of the actions since have not been good from the IDF to say the least. However, there is more of a disciplinary process there than Hamas. There will and can be no peace with Hamas, they don’t want it, and Israel aren’t going to just accept it, no matter who’s ruling. The protests against Netanyahu are great to see, and he should go asap, but most Israelis wouldn’t accept having to deal with Hamas trying to kill their civilians in acts of provocation.
75 years of ‘resistance’, which has often translated to acts of murder against Jews and it has never and won’t bring peace. Many want a one state solution under Palestine, which will mean a likely genocide of Jews given Hamas’s beliefs. The only way for peace is for Hamas to go, followed by Netanyahu. The latter can be done democratically and looks far more likely.
Our conduct against ISIS wasn’t that much different. For example, ISIS embedded themselves in hospitals and schools and we did the same. We evacuated patients and destroyed the hospitals with their weapons supplies. Not that different to Israel.