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cokeovenkid wrote:

Didn’t bother today, it’s becoming obvious this season will end the same as last season with a few less goals conceded. We desperately need a goalscorer that’s interested.

Aye. Another poor game from Whitehall. Missed what looked like an easy chance and spent most of the game on the floor, and always seems to not anticipate much.

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Pitiful. It was too early to moan before a ball was kicked or after 2 or 3 games, but things have been souring for a while. The crucial thing was to learn from signs of weakness and improve, so that those instances would only be a blip.

Only it hasn’t and Butler and the team have seemingly learned nothing. Every game the midfielders get nullified, the wing backs stay pretty much rooted to the back, with little outlets up front. Without Roberts we’d be screwed.

The game management was abysmal. Every corner would have every man back to defend and we couldn’t escape. That’s not game management, that’s blind hope that we can hold on to a win. Against a team 23rd in the table.

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The finances in football now is a lot and money is needed even to get out the national league. However, it must also balance the sustainability of the club for a long term future.

What is for sure is the approaches of bring in shiny things to distract from background malaise, as seen under Hilton, and outright gambles to make it to the promised land and fail, as seen under Swann, led to us being one of the biggest calamities in professional football in the 21st century.

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No paedophile, rapist or terrorist should own a football club, but it’s interesting fraud is not included when criminals of this background are more likely to financially shaft a club. Seems more pertinent, since con men are more likely to be attracted to a club than Al Qaeda, the IRA or Boko Haram.

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He’s got his old school tie on in another post. Will do well with the Etonites and Harrovians in politics.

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Awaywego wrote:

Id have him back tomorrow, the grounds sorted for him, club debt free.
Doubt we would have seen the inaction we have over the last 3/4 weeks needing the squad strengthening. Better to try and fail than not to try at all.

The ground’s ‘sorted for him’ because we have owners that made the effort and succeeded and not one who didn’t bother and made excuses with nonsensical, supposedly insurmountable, barriers that Michelle managed to navigate in a matter of weeks. Also, we are reduced on debt precisely because we have owners that care now. Bring Dave back and they will stack up again, as will the CCJs and the club will be at risk once more. But hey, maybe we get a new player for a few months before it implodes, which is obviously more important than having a club.

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It is possible that a year is enough to get his head straight, but with regards to him I felt it wasn’t sincere. He only ever brought it up to use to deflect from serious questions about his character and actions, as well as to try and deflect responsibility.

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Les is right. The big problem this season, as it was last season when teams figured us out, is the inability to control the midfield. What we should have done was pursue a midfielder who could do this in the summer. I don’t think keeping Butterfield would have made much difference in this regard. Sure, his passing ability to create more chances, but he wasn’t flawless. The struggles we have seen lately would not be solved with a magic Butterfield bullet.

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Hilton or not, I would be wanting more info too if I was a Matlock fan.

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I wonder who that whinger is. Hmmmm.

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I don’t like the idea of focussing on the league and not the cup. Wins build confidence, momentum and belief, including the fans for the latter. Losses can deflate. We won’t win every game, but we should be trying our best to do that.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

I don’t think anyone was getting ‘blase’ Les, tbf. More like ‘don’t panic’. But I would agree, loanees are needed

Yes. When you’re top of the league and unbeaten there shouldn’t be mad panic. It may have been a blip which could have been worked through, and some on here were already on the wagon of doom and gloom before a ball was kicked this season. However, when the worrying signs continue for too long a period, and it has now, there can be serious concerns raised. The midfield looks to be easily dominated, the passing is atrocious and there is no outlet. I am less and less convinced by Beestin the centre forward after each game and Nicholson has deteriorated massively.

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I can’t see any predictions available to make in the game. :-(

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BPG must be posting on bail, facing the impending court case from the thought police.

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Except that there are no plans to actually do this.

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So that’s why the National League voted to scrap cup replays at round 3.

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BBC didn’t fancy straying too far from their Manchester offices.

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Have you got a particular small bald man in mind when thinking of the methods used, Deerey? :-)

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Aye. Maybe Hezbollah should have thought of that if they are going to involve themselves in a war and maybe the fault is on them for bringing it to Lebanon with their own actions they decided upon. If they want to attack Israel, I find it silly to bemoan that Israel are targeting their aggressors and not just doing nothing, while accepting Israeli civilians should just be prey to Hezbollah missiles.

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If Hezbollah didn’t want to involve themselves in military attacks then they shouldn’t have started launching missiles from Oct 8th onwards. It’s the height of ridiculousness that after months of launching missiles that they feign innocence after a response.

With Lebanon being a fragile state, it’s probably an idea for one faction to not launch missile after missile at another nation and cry “bully” when there’s a response?

Netanyahu may want to prolong the war to save his own skin, but I am struggling to get worked up about an attack against militants who are part of the problem.

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Don’t worry. They are currently building on an M181 connection from Burringham Road, so I am sure it’s progressing just as Waltham said it would when Swann got ahead of himself and thought we could say farewell to Glanford Park in 2015-16..

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You’re assuming it’s not a front for secret services (Mossad, CIA). The NYT is claiming it was likely such. Which is what secret services do. People might find it messy, but what’s the alternative? Let Hezbollah continue to kill Israelis? If a group targets a nation as these terror groups, no other nation would not resort to such infiltration strategies, yet it’s evil when Israel do it.

Military operations inside Lebanon to target Hezbollah would draw ire, since it would involve a high number of civilian casualties. Now discriminate attacks targeting pagers belonging to Hezbollah members is bad because, by and large, terrorists get maimed or front groups* have to face consequences. Never mind that all this is caused by Hezbollah firing missiles willy nilly, that inconvenience can be ignored.

*And if not, why would they be selling to prohibited terrorist groups and proxies of Iran, who want to spread their version of Islamism across the Middle East?

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The people injured and killed are, by and large, Hezbollah. I am sorry that hurt Islamists who want to attack others upsets you so much.

If Israel launch a military operation in response to missiles, it’s evil. If they launch a discriminate attack with minimal other casualties, it’s evil. If Israel do anything other than accept civilians should be at risk of missiles, it’s evil. Meanwhile ‘the people who just want peace’ expect nothing of Hezbollah or Hamas. The ‘anti-racists’ don’t think Arabs have agency.

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Random places being Hezbollah militant’s phones? Seems oddly specific for it to be random. I am not surprised you’re upset about that.

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Not sure if that’s fully brain fog, but him chiming in with the latest hysteria from the ‘people with economic concerns’. The racist drivel being spread about Haitians in Ohio is embarrassing and dangerous. All based off someone who spread rumours while admitting they have no knowledge of a supposed pet eating event. Now we have KKK leaflets going round for mass deportations of ‘filth’ and events cancelled at the local university because of threats of shooting Haitians. Social media has been rife with idiots sharing someone not white barbecuing lamb or something and them claiming it’s someone’s pet dog. There is an element here who are trying to whip up racist hate, but will moan of disunity when others call out those stoking it.

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Aye. The Eeyores will be getting ready to say “I told you so”, if the score stays the same, with forecasts of doom.

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I could if I could be bothered. I don’t see the need to, because I don’t see the need to continuously ram it down, because I am not insecure.

You speak as if you have any authority, but don’t even point out whatever is wrong with my reasoning. Yet what I say, I can back up. For example, you state that the ancient belief was that the Earth was flat, yet Pythagoras and Aristotle spoke of a spherical Earth (so debunking your claim that before the Bible the world was thought of as flat or resting on animals by those with scientific inquiry). You speak of blood being the life force, which contradicts other beliefs apparently. Yet if you read other cultures from before the Bible there’s no great difference in what the Bible says and what Hippocrates said. And the ancient Egyptians thought of it as a ‘life giving force gifted to them from the gods’. So your alleged belief that the Bible brought anything new on this is just not true. The Church favoured bleeding based on what Hippocrates and Galen had suggested, so the premise you have made is false.

There are other things I could say, like how the Bible spoke of stars as objects that could fall to Earth, so the idea that it is a literal science book is erroneous. The Bible gives no greater knowledge in science beyond that of the time, which isn’t surprising. In all the examples given, the Bible doesn’t explain why (e.g. why flowing water may be more hygienic – since there was no knowledge of germs) and it doesn’t give the complete picture.

None of this means that I don’t think that religion can’t have benefits for a believer. It just means I find it silly to treat it literally. The scientists I know of who believe in the Christian God would see it as a metaphorical script, but they would not be true Christians according to you.

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billpuntonsghost wrote:

Science then- Hands should be washed in still water.
The Bible states- when dealing with disease,hands should be washed under running water,Leviticus 15:23,look it up!
Science now-when dealing with disease,hands should be washed under running water.

It didn’t give any indication as to why though or the importance of clean water, which is unfortunate since the deaths from typhoid and cholera killed many after.

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billpuntonsghost wrote:

Science then-sick people must be bled.
The Bible states-Blood is the source of life and health,Leviticus 17:11 look it up!
Science now- blood is the source of life and health.

It’s amazing that bleeding was a common health trend among Christian societies for centuries after Christ then. Also, this is a hugely reductive statement. Oxygen and water are also important components for life. The ancients knew that blood was important. The Greeks thought blood was important for carrying life force and vitality and observed that blood loss led to death. It’s why blood was seen as a part of the ‘four humours’ theory of the time. The non-Christian Roman, Galen, believed blood supplied nutrition across the body. Neither Galen, the Greeks or the Bible fully understood the purpose of blood in supplying nutrients and oxygen across the body.

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There’s also the inaccurate statement of pi, the geological impossibility of a global flood, the non-existence of a firmament, the claims that Earth formed before the Sun, claims of the Moon as a light and talk of a six day creation time. None of which is backed by science.

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