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We get it. You’re a Nazi. Go away.
Eastern European migrants also stick at it more with the likes of Amazon too, along with care and cleaning. This is in some ways laudable, but we shouldn’t be so eager to side with the employers who often seek to go for who puts up the least resistance to their demands. I am not saying the employers are necessarily evil or wrongdoers here, they’re thinking of their business, but for worker’s rights I will always side with right for the worker.
Eastern European migrants have put up with such for many reasons. Coming further is greater motivation to succeed, but they are also typically from countries with little to no trade union history. British workers don’t want to work in Amazon and such to the same degree, because their conditions are seen as demeaning. This has its downsides, obviously, but the positive is that there is an ingrained culture for at least some protection of worker’s rights.
None of this blames the eastern European migrant. However, everything from the conditions not being conductive to what many in Britain hold dear hinder here. Many unemployed live in towns or cities and don’t want to work such long hours alongside travel, don’t want insecure jobs as they want to establish a family like their parents, work in farms is seasonal and not good for career longevity and such. This is less likely to be a hindrance to migrants who have no family ties here and different motivations and dreams. They want to make a living for themselves, which is fair, and such jobs provide that. Their goal is to make more money than they would do in their home country; and such jobs are a way of doing that. Brits have different dreams as residents of this country. Most want to establish themselves as families here and have a good career. Fruit and veg picking doesn’t lend itself well to this and I don’t think the older generations (or anyone) can blame the young for wanting what they achieved as a whole.
My point here isn’t to damn the migrant worker. Their motives are perfectly fine and I support immigration. The reason why we have higher wages for such jobs now is because demand is vital; they no longer have the migrants who will fill them, so it’s not a sure sign of Brexit greatness, as Big J alludes. However, I do not believe in damning the British young and workers either because they have different motives in work to migrants.
BJ is a buffoon, but I am a bit uneasy about the dismissal of English people of certain social backgrounds here.
Firstly, not all are like that stereotype and secondly, it’s not exactly going to be endearing. This attitude that the ‘common man’ is a layabout who is too lazy to work is a bit snobbish in mentality. It’s this sort of thing which gets leftists labelled as out of touch or elitist by the people who see themselves as being remarked as being fat and lazy, because they won’t work in such.
Many have said they didn’t want to work on such, due to the way they are. It’s fine for EU migrants who can accept living in caravans away from family, given their family may be abroad and because they don’t have the same bills to pay, but I am not going to criticise anyone for saying they don’t fancy that with such language. I don’t know what the answer is, because farm labourers are needed, but I do know that I would rather the focus on how we can improve conditions to entice workers rather than point finger at the would-be worker.
Also, I don’t think that the NF type fascists are all lazy layabouts. However, they do prey on the vulnerable, like all extreme ideologies.
As was obvious from the outset the government were never interested in developing a positive relationship with the EU, only scapegoating for what they didn’t like in the deal. It’s not even been a year since it was the “best deal that could possibly ever be” and we’re on to claims of being stabbed in the back and EU bullying us by enforcing the deal we agreed.
Many of those speaking of going in with open minds often mean accept any codswallop we present you and anyone critical gets blocked, ignored or attacked, regardless of whether their point has merit.
The EU may be baffled and frustrated by our stance on it, but that has nothing to do with UNESCO decisions or whether the rest of the world like us. And if proceeding with Brexit makes the rest hate us, then that’s a strong argument against it.
Like it or not, we need trading partners and each trade deal involves pooling a degree of sovereignty. In the modern world we can’t isolate ourselves off from the rest. The idyllic times of nostalgic 1950s and 60s is not coming back ever. Yes, ‘globalism’ brings its challenges and we can see that with the rise of multinationals, poor pay, conditions etc, but it brings advantages too and there is no movement or will to stop it. We should work with it to ensure the best for society, rather than close ourselves off and resort to bitterness.
I’m sure there will be plenty of Russians taking a detour there after visiting the renowned tourist trap of Salisbury Cathedral and its world famous 404 foot high spire, which brings them in from St Petersburg to Sochi.
A baboon is also a monkey, which is what black people have been referred to as throughout history. This is quite obviously racism.
Personally, I think BS was probably using that term through extreme ignorance rather than thinking about the connotations. However, I am not going to die on the hill of protecting the right of racists to abuse, bully and intimidate people of other ethnicities. Do you think that punishing school bullies for abusing their victims is wrong because of free speech?
Yeah, climate change has happened previously and I don’t think there’s one person who disagrees, barring creationists. The difference is that past instances can be linked to natural causes. The current natural trend is that of a slight cooling. We aren’t seeing that. Instances of past hot climates (such as during the Carboniferous) can include that of a weaker Sun, but with high greenhouse gas levels (take note, those who think the Sun is the only factor necessary to explain climate change). Of course volcanoes would be the source of past greenhouse gas initiated climate change, but that doesn’t seem to be the case now. We know greenhouse gases can affect climate and have done since the 19th century, we know that climate is warming, we know that the only variable linked to an increase is that of CO2 and we know that the CO2 input is predominantly from human sources, so we have a solid idea that humans are responsible.
It wouldn’t be the first time life has had such an influence. The evolution of plants led to a huge decrease in CO2 levels back in the Devonian. This was followed by global cooling and a mass extinction event of life adapted to hotter conditions at the time.
I think the focus should be on the culprits, not blaming the victims.
I don’t think it’s right that people should be expected to abandon their social media status, where they can reach out to fans, because of bullies. That only encourages the bullies.
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Climate models don’t predict specific weather events.
The 50s and 60s were dogged with issues and bad news too. It wasn’t idyllic for everyone.
The problem, of course, is that those who want to make decisions which are right for them rarely consider whether their decisions are right for anyone else.
Interesting how the tune on Cummings has changed since he split from government. Tories were saying how we were only against Cummings because of his Brexit positions, and how he’s a marvellous mega genius and caring dad, with his pandemic trips. Now he is being his usual spiteful and vindictive self after being removed from government they are citing how disliked he was.
Of course, his pettiness shouldn’t detract from any elements of concern from his statements.
we do not have work,
We have plenty of work! Ask anybody in the food production industry, farming or hospitality, they are crying out for workers because entitled, benefit scrounging Brits won’t get off their fat arses and do this type of work!
Part of the reason why such work isn’t done by Brits is because conditions are poor and one thing a history of some unionisation did was give Brits a feeling that they don’t deserve to be treated badly. In eastern Europe, where unionisation isn’t so ingrained, poor conditions, long hours and low pay isn’t so much of a big deal to them.
I don’t think this is an entirely bad thing from our perspective. I don’t think we should accept poor standards for the benefit of employers and nor should migrant workers, to be fair.
Indemnity is to stop any suing for adverse reactions to known side effects. Reactions to manufacturing issues with the vaccine or effects not conveyed to the person vaccinated can still end up with lawsuits which may be successful, depending on their legal case.
Insurance claims will be able to be made if there are some unforeseen issues. However, given the long history of vaccine rollouts for disease and minimal issues (of which covid vaccines have nothing spectacularly different about them in the trial process) and lack of major problems versus a disease which has caused much more misery I know which is the bigger risk.
So there are two and three year old human trial results on these vaccines?
Why then is it an “emergency” vaccine,when other fully tested vaccines aren’t called “emergency” vaccines?
The answer is in the word “emergency”.
Fingers crossed it doesn’t reveal other unseen problems already “discovered”in this small time period,eh!
There’s no requirement for there to be three year results before trialling. I have answered this, but you keep on rabbiting.
The other vaccines weren’t for pandemics, were they? Measles, mumps, rubella etc are not pandemics.
Oh, yes, the really rare cases of blood clotting and heart inflammation. Such a more drastic problem than the thousands dying of covid when these deaths are in the handful. Every medication has risks and side effects. All vaccines have some small degree of risk. The risk of the disease outweights this though and there is no reason to suspect anything when the same damn trials have been performed for these vaccines than for any other infectious disease. All we have is pantswetting of the cocksure over minor risks when they dismiss more deaths from covid. And they expect us not to view them as selfish.
As does BPG, but he will ignore that and still give sarcasm and ask that same question than deal with the answer, which you have supplied.
And there is no requirement for 2 year testing prior to vaccines being administered to the public.
Alcy if we had scored and Fleetwood had scored we would have been champions,why is that so hard for you to accept, look at the final table and do the maths I know it’s not one of your strong points but give it ago, you asked for one lie and I gave you it you stupid cnut. I will give you another lie you also said the vaccine was an untried untested substance.
And you think its not?
Vaccines take YEARS to test and get acceptance. This had weeks.
What a naive wanker you’re turning out to be”
As for Fleetwood scoring…pfffht.
If if if.
There was nowt to play for.
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Normally they do, but this was a pandemic so the waiting times were reduced quite significantly. They went through the exact same testing programme any other virus does. But, hey, I am not going to stand in the way of hysterical paranoia.
Cases are rising.
Deaths have flatlined.
Vituses mutate…thry aften become more transmissable but les lethal.
It’s not in a virus’ interest to kill it’s host, it can’t live outside the host.
But hey, keep being scared.
Someone should have told Spanish flu, smallpox, measles and many other viruses that before they killed millions.
Of course it’s evolutionary advantageous for viruses not to kill hosts, but they can’t exactly decide on the matter being not very sentient at all. Some viruses do kill and have done, as has covid-19.
Mutations can lead to vaccine ineffectiveness. Over time they probably will be less potent, but that doesn’t mean every new mutation is going to be weak enough as to not cause what we saw earlier I the year.
Also, care to venture why deaths have flatlined? For some reason a vaccine aimed at a coronavirus pandemic has drastically reduced excess deaths when covid ‘sceptics’ were telling us these deaths had nothing to do with covid, but were linked to an epidemic of suicides, flu, trees falling on heads and God knows what else. That’s one mighty reduction in deaths from non-covid causes at the same time a vaccine specifically for covid was widely taken up.
Oh, and don’t forget that the real worry was this vaccine according to the ‘sceptics.’
Well if we’d just let it run riot in the first place, we’d all have immunity by now, 18 bloody months and cases are rising again, I know let’s keep the lockdown forever.
With how many more dead? Thankfully we waited for vaccines which give better degrees of immunity than “letting rip” and it’s without the same death toll.
The issue now of course is mutations, especially when the rest of the world isn’t so well vaccinates, but I guess we’re alright Jack, so who cares?
Not really. Couldn’t care less about Jonathan Pie, who is not my cup of tea.
Any chances of the real Brits enjoying another World Cup in this country in 1930 have been ruined by their actions.
I know some say things like worker’s rights have regressed, but I didn’t realise time itself had.
Not sure when it was that right wing racists became the self appointed voice of the working class.
They certainly don’t represent me.
The right love to make out that the working class are a homogeneous group of opinionated, politically incorrect, no nonsense, self-centred, opposed to anything which gets brought down to them from experts and slightly bigoted group who need to be pandered to or you’re being out of touch with the common man.
There is an element of truth to what they say in that the liberal left sometimes seem to be embarrassed about views held by ordinary folk outside of metropolitan cities. The views they describe as belonging to the working class exist, but they’re not the sole and only possible representative of that grouping. They’re not the brash stereotypes they love to make out whenever questionable views are called into focus. This is seen by the percentages of those who support lockdown measures, masking up and taking the knee, which are higher than those opposing. Yet the way the conservatives yap on one would think that everyone deemed working class is someone who can see through the point of masks because of their ‘common sense’ and unable to hold any solidarity with black people on taking the knee, because they see it as anti-white or Marxist.
This is true for some, but it’s not all, yet this group is all we hear about. It’s prejudice from those who want to take a patronising tone towards the ‘common man’ and treat them as if they’re a homogeneous bloc with no agency, all because they have their own agendas.
I don’t see an issue in Mings pointing out that Patel has room to talk when she is now condemning racism after ignoring why they were trying to bring racism and the need to stop it to light. For them, she dismissed the need to do something against racism, but is now joining in the condemnation. For someone who doesn’t like gesture politics, Patel loves making gestured comments. Is the knee succeeding? Probably not, but that’s partly because people like Patel aren’t doing anything to stop it.
As for the Bulgaria game, the idiots got ejected, many players would have seen forfeiting as a way of letting the racists win. They might not trust UEFA to not reward Bulgaria for an outcome in response to refusal to play. Besides, I don’t see how this nullifies any anti-racist gestures from players.
Going to a protest doesn’t make you part of an organisation. I take it you believe 5 million people were part of the SWP in 2003 because their front organised anti-Iraq war protests.
Your sarcasm has shown me the light. Now I realise every single protester who goes to a BLM march, even if they don’t share those beliefs, are actually committed Marxists being funded by sinister forces. If I go to show my support it’s obviously because I am a committed Marxist under the power of others, not some person going to a cause for anti-racism motives.
The last time I checked the protests had more than 3 people. Protesters does not equal members of an organisation, does it? An SWP front ran the Iraq War protests in 2003. Does that mean the SWP were incredibly strong? No, because the protesters were obviously not part of the SWP. Same applies here.
You’re expressing what 3 people stand for. You’re not expressing what every protester does, nor the footballers.
The BLM organisation have about as much influence over politics as the SWP, if that. Pygmies. Not worth getting so hysterical over. They have as much chance of upending politics as Scotland winning the world cup.