April 26, 2021 at 8:00 pm #205524alcazarParticipantOffline
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We can but hope.
Nasty turd that Cummings is, the present government have treated us all with utter contempt, and need taught a lesson.
And we SERIOUSLY need to stop with the “advisors”, “spin doctors”, or whatever you want to call them, that emerged under Blair.
We vote for a person or a party.
We don’t get to vote on these shadowy dishonest so-called advisors.April 26, 2021 at 8:29 pm #205526HeathParticipantOffline
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Hope so for a likely different set of reasons to yours. I suspect that we have common ground in not liking the blatant lies and the willingness of a group of ministers to tell lies on behalf of their leader. Let’s hope that Cummings has recordings of meetings.
Will the Government collapse? Not with the majority they have. They will get rid of Johnson the first sign that any of the allegations can be proven. Ministers need to think carefully how long they can continue with the lies and supporting blatant corruption.April 26, 2021 at 9:19 pm #205529
Would like to see them collapse and in particular Johnson but not convinced it will happen. The last four years of a corrupt and blatant liar Trump in the western democracy of the USA appears to give Johnson and Co the belief they can get away with anything over here. The biggest laugh of course is Cummings who should have been dismissed when he failed the Barnard Castle eye test but the spineless PM daren’t because of the hold he had over him and it seems now with good reason. The fact he sacked him eventually, apparently on the say so of his girlfriend after Cummings threatened one of her political chums speaks volumes about the whole Boris Johnson Shit Show. What a bloody mess we are in from Brexit to Covid over this bungling clown, good job for him the successful NHS vaccination drive appears to have given him some more breathing space ( pardon the pun ), he really is a first class Gobshite.April 27, 2021 at 10:53 am #205539
I see Therese Coffey has said no one really cares about the no.11 refurb and whether Party donors or Boris paid for it. Have to say I’ve been thinking that from the off. Whilst the government has a lot to answer for I don’t actually see the problem of either donors or Boris paying for it. Better than it coming out of the public purse isn’t it?
Something fishy going on. I’m sceptical about where these supposed leaks are coming from. We’ve got Labour mounting justifiable attacks on sleaze and now all these odd things that apparently have happened (I don’t believe the PM would have made the ‘bodies piled high’ comment either) and Professor Cummings being ironic. It’s almost like some Tory PR twit like Bucks has come up with ‘a cunning plan’ to head off legitimate allegations with stupid stories in an effort to get the public to poo poo the whole shebang and restore confidence.April 27, 2021 at 12:16 pm #205544
I must say that it’s somewhat amusing to see the Tories, who only last year hailed Cummings as a marvellous dad for breaking lockdown rules and decried criticism as Labour tribalism, now say that we shouldn’t use Cummings’ information at all (not even to query) because his antics during lockdown shows that he isn’t credible. Yes, we know he’s a liar, and can’t be trusted on words alone, but it doesn’t come across as a valid defence of Johnson to point this out when the defenders hailed him before for what they now say discounts him.April 27, 2021 at 12:55 pm #205553GurnelistaParticipantOffline
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Whilst the government has a lot to answer for I don’t actually see the problem of either donors or Boris paying for it.
Point is, that if doners paid for it, it should be declared, but it hasn’t been so far, because Johnson doesn’t want to reveal who paid. He says it was paid for with his own money, but there’s a question of who put it in his pocket.
Cummings alleges he was planning to set up a secret fund to finance the decoration and possibly other projects, with doners making contributions.
Why on earth would anyone make a contribution?
Answer: Favours. An intervention here, a smoothing of the passage there, etc. etc.
So, if there’s nothing to see, why not pull back the curtains and let in the sunlight? It’s great disinfectant, they say…
Bru-ers are an eclectic lot, so here’s an entertaining piece here on how they wanted to change the flat from Teresa May’s “John Lewis furniture nightmare” to a “high society haven”.April 27, 2021 at 1:35 pm #205556
Not his property anyway.
In theory he’s OUR (The British People) tenant. But to be fair it’s just another in a long line of refurbishments : –
1877 – hot and cold running water installed. The living quarters were renovated for Benjamin Disraeli – including a bath.
1894 – installation of electric lighting and first telephones. Following Disraeli’s departure William Gladstone redecorated the building and oversaw the installations.
1937 – first central heating.
1963 – A major period of renovation for the building, including a complete re-wiring.
Another example of political subterfuge me thinks!April 27, 2021 at 3:18 pm #205561
It should have been declared of was being paid for by donors, yes. Anything else is speculation. I’m sure the sordid truth, if there is any more to it, will be revealed. Still, kind of deflecting attention away from the Party’s shambles on to him isn’t it. Is that the plan?
1 user thanked author for this post.April 28, 2021 at 6:33 pm #205764
Boris shouting at Starmer today. What he was really saying was ‘how dare you question an Old Etonion and Bullingdon Boy you riff raff?!! I’m accountable to no one, least of all you!’. It’s the Tory way.April 28, 2021 at 7:54 pm #205773
Johnson was shouting at Starmer today because IMO, despite attempting to bask in the glow of the NHS vaccination roll out, he is being exposed as the swindling two faced cheating twat he is and he obviously doesn’t like it. Also his attempt at whataboutery by shouting insults at Starmer is a clear case of guilt, just hope this pressure is kept up politically till the incompetent arse is forced out of office. Not holding my breath though, he has no shame, morals or a single decent bone in his body to do the right thing. What a lily livered turd he is.April 28, 2021 at 8:55 pm #205781
And that 👆April 29, 2021 at 8:07 pm #205909BobbyGmeisterParticipantOffline
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Tories out. Labour out.April 29, 2021 at 9:50 pm #205915
Your lot have been very quiet mind.April 29, 2021 at 10:00 pm #205917
Lib Dems out!
Won’t be voting Lib Dem now that Labour hasn’t got an amoral buffoon as leader.April 29, 2021 at 10:26 pm #205923
Would have been the perfect time for a third party to challenge the two who are constantly at loggerheads with both themselves and each other.
Concentrating on next month’s council elections no doubt.
Obviously not serious about breaking the two party stranglehold of British politics.April 30, 2021 at 12:13 pm #205963BobbyGmeisterParticipantOffline
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Rebuilding.April 30, 2021 at 12:16 pm #205965
A bit like Glanford Park then!April 30, 2021 at 12:39 pm #205971
A bit like Glanford Park then!
Ha ha, well that sounds a nailed on guarantee for success then.April 30, 2021 at 12:50 pm #205975
Resistance is futile.May 1, 2021 at 1:24 pm #206023BucksironParticipantOffline
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As with all cases such as this the accuser needs to ensure their house is 100% in order before starting to throw stones. I’m quite sure the Labour party has plenty of skeletons hiding in cupboards.
As for Boris, he’s a politician. I strongly suspect he’s “bent the truth” because that is what all politicians do.
Do people care? I think the vast majority will find it a pretty petty argument and a desperate attempt by the leader of the opposition to come up with something truly damaging. It might be truly damaging, of course, but at the moment that looks unlikely. More like Wallpapergate than Watergate.May 1, 2021 at 2:59 pm #206030
Labour is far from perfect. So what? That excuses nothing and the sleaze of this government eclipses that of previous Tory administrations. It is not good to normalise sleaze, no matter what the colour of the administration. I would gladly call out Labour for the same thing (heck, Blair had dodgy Mandelson), but it’s a bit moot at the moment because Labour are not in power.
And, no, I don’t think improper use of public funds is petty. Nor does whatabouting and pointing fingers at anyone else excuse things. It just makes it look like you apologise for corruption.May 1, 2021 at 5:14 pm #206046BucksironParticipantOffline
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I’m not excusing the improper use of public funds at all, BRI, so please don’t suggest that I am. As far as I’m aware there hasn’t been any improper use of public funds. The point is that politicians of all persuasions spend public money in all sorts of ways that I would class as improper, but that doesn’t make it illegal. As for Downing Street we’ll have to wait to see what comes out of the various investigations.
My point about Labour needing check that its own house is in order is this idea that they believe themselves so perfect when they’re anything but. That is all. Likewise the SNP and your bunch.May 1, 2021 at 5:24 pm #206049
Who is my bunch? I have no allegiances as such. I am more pro-Labour than other parties, but I didn’t vote for them in 2019 and may not again (at the moment I am most likely to, but I am not going to easily totally regain trust after they soiled their reputation with the last moron) and I will gladly disagree with anyone when I see fit to argue against a point.
Labour will critique, of course. The same would be true if roles were reversed. That’s the nature of politics. Yet you wouldn’t be making the same points against the Tories in that situation, I believe.
The problem with the charge of hypocrisy is that it negates the point that regardless of double standards it doesn’t make the charge being aimed at the Tories (in this case) any less problematic. And the problem is that, if these accusations are true, they would go against regulations, so dismissing them as nothing to worry about regardless would be apologising for improper use of funds.May 1, 2021 at 5:54 pm #206052GurnelistaParticipantOffline
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It’s a falsehood to say that all MPs bend the truth. There are lots of decent politicians who try to do their best by their constituents. In most parties, MPs are forced to resign if they get caught doing something unconstitutional or illegal. Yet, in the current Tory party it qualifies you for promotion, especially lying.
Thinking that the normal rules don’t apply is definitely an asset. Just take Johnson – an inveterate liar since schooldays, possibly since birth. He’s lied to his employers, his constituents, his lovers, his wives, the queen and country. It’s so obvious, we now see other MPs openly calling him out on this.
With three enquiries runnning, there’s evidently a case to answer, but it’s about far more than decoration, it’s about (dis)honesty with public money – sleaze – and Johnson has a record of profound dishonesty.
Whenever he’s asked something uncomfortable, Johnson likes talking about the vaccine programme. Perhaps he can tell us when there’ll be a vaccine to neutralize sleaze in the government.May 1, 2021 at 6:00 pm #206056
I don’t think the OP is a Labour supporter Bucks!May 1, 2021 at 6:12 pm #206057
‘My point about Labour needing check that its own house is in order is this idea that they believe themselves so perfect when they’re anything but. That is all. Likewise the SNP and your bunch.’
What a load of tosh. Just because an opposition party accuses the government of corruption and sleaze does not mean they believe themselves to be ‘so perfect’. Exactly the type of straw man argument you threw at me on the football side this week and in the past. It’s not an excuse. Besides, it’s not the Labour Party who have launched the inquiry is it. You seem to be forgetting that.
1 user thanked author for this post.May 1, 2021 at 8:21 pm #206085XxxParticipantOffline
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Would like to see them collapse and in particular Johnson but not convinced it will happen. The last four years of a corrupt and blatant liar Trump in the western democracy of the USA appears to give Johnson and Co the belief they can get away with anything over here. The biggest laugh of course is Cummings who should have been dismissed when he failed the Barnard Castle eye test but the spineless PM daren’t because of the hold he had over him and it seems now with good reason. The fact he sacked him eventually, apparently on the say so of his girlfriend after Cummings threatened one of her political chums speaks volumes about the whole Boris Johnson Shit Show. What a bloody mess we are in from Brexit to Covid over this bungling clown, good job for him the successful NHS vaccination drive appears to have given him some more breathing space ( pardon the pun ), he really is a first class Gobshite.
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