January 3, 2021 at 12:09 pm #200151
You may or may not have seen lesgeo’s post under the ‘Happy New Year’ thread on the football side. Here’s the post:
‘With the latest deal with Turkey, I believe that is now 62 new trade deals already agreed in 2020 – in a fair number of which, a pretty fair dollop would have either required EU blessing, mega adjustments or could not have happened at all.
£668bn trade with EU.
An ordinary deal by Boris, yes, but if you bothered to examine the 12 points of May’s Chequers plan in painful detail, this is hugely superior. Whoever drafted that May deal had made all 12 points look like a positive but 11 were almost totally impossible if you knew EU regs as well as a certain member of my family does.
This version has few serious drawbacks.
Hope that this is now the end for all the bickering. I want a New Year with people all pulling together to make the UK be the best it can be.
In future, I shan’t be making any political points on the football board. (Or any other for that matter.)’
Which is a shame, or convenient, because according to this BBC article, and not a Pro-Brexiter, there are indeed some serious drawbacks. Perhaps he may like to make a political point on the non football side instead of the football side?January 3, 2021 at 2:23 pm #200157NorthumbironParticipantOffline
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The whole “deal” makes the UK look like a stroppy teenager who hates living with his parents, so gets his own place.
He then realises he’ll have to pay his own rent, council tax, tv license etc. So he returns to his old house several times a week for a home cooked meal and to get his mum to do his washing!January 3, 2021 at 2:41 pm #200158
Les, this is all exaggeration and purely personal opinion about ‘dollops’ and drawbacks’ – the same as all your other propaganda.
The fact is, that it wasn’t possible to get a better deal than the one we already had. And, if you’re on a low income or no income, or have or work for a business which exports to the EU, or you want to work, study, holiday or retire there, please tell us how you think life has been made more secure, or improved.
And tell us why it’s worth not just the impending economic devastation, but the social tensions and division which it’s opened up, too.
No, those who lied about all this should be pursued and exposed for what they said and did. For example, all that strategic lying across social media to those who didn’t know any better. That is the best way to make Britain stronger and better.
As for ‘moving on’ from discussing Brexit – that’s the escape route of the guilty. It’s just like saying they’re ‘done with elected politics’ as Jonathan does. Rather like the Nuremburg defence, in fact.
Indeed, why should anyone want to move on when the sunny benefits are about to appear and you and Jonathan can take all the credit, unless…January 3, 2021 at 3:45 pm #200162
Similarities to dropping a stink bomb vial in class and legging it whilst the rest of the form deal with the consequences.
I would have responded to lesgeo’s post directly on the other side but I see, somewhat ironically, there’s complaints about political posts from some people who have been quite happy to publish political posts recently.
Anyway les, have no fear about ‘people all pulling together to make the UK be the best it can be.’ It’s what workers always do for their own good, for the good of the country. It’s never been anything but that. There wasn’t a problem, it’s just you and many other pro-Brexiters succeeded in convincing a small majority that there was a problem, or that we could be doing better. All the forecasts from experts (not politico’s) say otherwise.
Just to add, I’m always here to discuss how all this progresses over the next few years. Personally, I think the honorable thing for you to do, given your pre-referendum lobbying, would be to contribute to those discussions.January 8, 2021 at 8:33 pm #200487alcazarParticipantOffline
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Since leaving on 31/1/2020:
£15 BILLION investment in the UK from outside… more than the whole of the rest of the EU combined.
Since leaving their rules:
Tampon tax abolished.
Pulse fishing abolished.
No sign of the economic meltdown yet.
Any comments remoaners?January 8, 2021 at 8:37 pm #200488NorthumbironParticipantOffline
Registered On: January 3, 2014
Businesses hit with red tape, delays and costs: New customs declarations have put up barriers to trade, as a consequence of which many UK companies ceased trading with the EU this week, hauliers have been turned back at ports, the cost of sending packages to the EU has shot up and EU companies have stopped delivering to UK customers.
€6bn has already left the City, with worse to come: Six billion euros of EU share trading left the City this week and is lost for good, while the loss of passporting rights on January 1 and failure to agree a deal on equivalence has put £26 billion of financial services exports at risk.
Travel to EU will be more hassle. For anyone travelling to the EU, there will be more costs, paperwork, delays and limits, including a reduction in free healthcare and the return of roaming charges. You will also need more paperwork to bring a pet – even to take it to Northern Ireland. Brexit means borders within Britain.
Stick or twist?January 8, 2021 at 8:42 pm #200489
Yeah come on Alcy, you’re behind the curve – this was debated and posted a few days ago.January 8, 2021 at 11:29 pm #200506
Surprised you’ve brought up Tampon Tax again Alcy when you were ridiculed about it recently on the other side. Oh, hang on, no I’m not.January 9, 2021 at 10:05 am #200519
Similarities to dropping a stink bomb vial in class and legging it whilst the rest of the form deal with the consequences…..
Personally, I think the honorable thing for you to do, given your pre-referendum lobbying, would be to contribute to those discussions.
Yes, some after-sales seems the only decent thing to do, after such passionate advocacy about how to save the UK from the Evil Empire and its Gestapo. I mean, Jonathan couldn’t even get his sofa fixed at EU HQ!!
Surely he hasn’t sold people a white elephant and run away? No, he wouldn’t do that…. would he?January 12, 2021 at 8:05 pm #200716
Just about anyone who comments publicly has a view on events In Washington DC.
Alas, not Jonathan. Nothing about Trump, incitement to break the law, the threats to kidnap and execute lawmakers, the riots or the dead. Or about the fifteen thousand soldiers drafted into DC, or about a country effectively at war with itself.
So why the silence? Why the ‘omertà’? I wouldn’t for a moment think it had anything to do with upsetting his American friends in the Christian, ultra-right ‘Madison Liberty’.
Come on Jonnie, you write all that guff for ML about the importance of an impartial judiciary, and in the same piece support the appointment of Coney-Barrett, someone who’s professional and personal history makes most British Tories appear like godless Marxists. Just what do you stand for these days?
Maybe Lesgeo, the Minister for Truth and Propaganda, can enlighten us.
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