August 15, 2020 at 7:08 pm #193384
Priceless Gurney. You asked me why I hadn’t commented on websites that you had referenced and then quoted 3 comments I’d made. What you actually meant was …. Why had I nor commented in the way that you wanted me to?
No response from you to the question I posed as to what I have said to make you so relentless in your silliness. For a man of obvious intelligence and some education you display a disappointing reluctance to engage forthrightly and robustly with me. Strikes me that you may be one of the modern breed of self loving ‘intellectuals’ who are comfortable in the world of ideas .. as long as they are ones you are comfortable with. No matter how broad a mind may be .. if it’s closed, it’s closed!August 17, 2020 at 8:39 pm #193458GurnelistaParticipantOnline
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It’s no use wriggling JI, you can tell it to the judge. Les’s figurative fingerprints mean you’re kippered, and I hereby make a citizen’s arrest for impersonation!August 17, 2020 at 11:28 pm #193472
While you two go back and forth, may I ask JI, do you have a view on the topic in question (the POTUS election)? You strike me as an intelligent poster. It would be good to read your take on it. The more the merrier.August 18, 2020 at 1:46 pm #193506
Thanks for the personal invitation Deerey. I have some clear and perhaps potentially controversial takes on the political scene in the USA but ..in light of, for example, the ‘back and forth’ with Gurney … genuinely don’t believe that making a contribution would generate any light, only heat. My preference is to dip in and out to read what is being discussed, drop in the odd remark about the way in which posters respond to others when it particularly irks me and leave it at that. I guess I don’t have the ‘skillset’ or temperament of someone like BRI to stay engaged ( or maybe he has better credentials for this forum in terms of his professed political persuasion). Either way … given your positive comments .. I would say that by far the best exchange I’ve had on the forum was when you quizzed me about my faith and other matters and, with acknowledged differences, there was no hint of ridicule or dismissiveness. Respect.August 18, 2020 at 2:25 pm #193512
“I have some clear and perhaps potentially controversial takes on the political scene in the USA”
Now I am tempted, so that I can get on my soapbox and run.
For me, there can only be one clear preferable outcome for the US election as someone who is liberally minded. Sure, Biden and the Democrats have faults, but anything is preferable to the moronic, totalitarian idolising fool in the White House who has botched their pandemic response up royally, aims to destroy every institution in the States which is remotely public service, often so that he can stay in power, is corrupt and has so many allegations of sexual misconduct.
I am done with having an overgrown manchild as president, and the appeasers behind him in the Republicans anywhere near power. The man doesn’t respect democracy, doesn’t respect science and doesn’t respect anyone other than those who pander to him, because he is a narcissist. And I am not pretending Biden is just as immoral as Trump, like the hardcore Bernie fans like to pretend, because he’s not an ideologically pure progressive. Nor am I going to pretend that ‘SJW’ university students making a fuss over nothing on campus or antifa are some big menace we need to support Trump over, like the ‘classical liberals’ pretend, when there are thugs with no badges on brutalising protesters who are being peaceful. Heck, I am not going to whinge too much about ‘the squad’ who get the ire of the right when the Republicans are dominated by fundamentalist Christian nutters, Ayn Ran zealots and fronted by a corrupt would-be tyrant with little values beyond an expanding need to be loved and throws tantrums when he can’t get it.
I have many thoughts of the American situation and little of it is positive. Not because of anti-Americanism, because I think the USA has the potential to be more moral than its superpower rivals, and greatly admire many of its more liberal (typically, but not exclusively) figures who have pushed the country forwards. However, it is in a bad place right now, a place I want it to recover from. It is not helped by a media which sets a low bar for Trump compared to Biden, the credence given to nonsense about Benghazi while there is nonchalance about Trump not caring about Russian bounties on American soldiers. The political scene is dominated by loudmouthed clickbait dressed as reality, and it is predominantly from one wing, yet we’re expected to behave as if both are going down the swanny, and we’re not expected to criticise one side too much in case we hurt the sensitive feelings of one of the MAGA heads who support the goon in charge. WHile I think we should need to reach out to swing voters and those who may have voted Trump, I am not going to do it by hiding criticism of the mess of Trump, nor those who support him wholeheartedly, because the fact that someone clearly unfit for office has supporters.August 18, 2020 at 4:13 pm #193524HeathParticipantOffline
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“My preference is to dip in and out to read what is being discussed, drop in the odd remark about the way in which posters respond to others when it particularly irks me and leave it at that”.
No need for a forum analyst! Respect? Answer Deerey’s question, contribute or you will get none from me.August 18, 2020 at 5:16 pm #193527
Don’t need it.
(Tho might consider opening up a bit when you become equally as touchy about the Sneeralistas evasiveness).August 18, 2020 at 6:36 pm #193529
At this point I think Gurnelista’s doing it deliberately to wind you up.August 18, 2020 at 6:40 pm #193531
Fairly do’s JI. A shame though, because I genuinely believe your ‘controversial’ views about the US would create a lively debate and might avert what you have said you tend to see, which is the majority of debates ending up in pretty much the same place. Hey ho.August 18, 2020 at 6:41 pm #193532GurnelistaParticipantOnline
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It’s the trial of Justles. We join the court as prosecuting barrister Mr Finesword is summing up:
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, it is well known that the good people of this community, and indeed the general public, hold an assortment of eccentric views both left and right, many of which display a tenuous connection with reality, and fall well outside the reason of this court.
That is the nature of a messageboard. But, what is objected to, is when witnesses come before the board and trumpet their credentials, for example, as a former magistrate, in order to appear plausible and persuasive, as they deliver the most outrageous pap, crap and lies, copy-pasting material taken from some of the most extreme, vile and disgusting ‘political’ sites on the web, all in support of the so-called ‘fabulous’ Farage.
The objection is reinforced when the same person does this knowing full well that many of those who read a football messageboard, do not seek out reliable information, but will likely defer to someone who holds a respectable, responsible position in the community, particularly if this person is able to confirm their prejudices.
If said former magistrate is apparently an Iron fan, and espouses views designed to stir up hatred and contribute to the creation of a climate in which it is OK to hate Muslims and immigrants, as well as OK to leave the EU without any sort of plan whatsoever, it becomes even more effective.
This was part of one of the most deceitful and divisive political campaigns ever concocted, and it was communicated in the most despicable way which effectively weaponised the board, yet you, Justles and the jonnies, got away with it because you knew very well that people were too slow to question, criticize, and above all, call out fake news.
The charge is, therefore, that you knew this better than anyone, and you used this knowledge to contribute to the poisoning of British society and politics. Yet now, having seen the gross error of your ways, the foolishness of Farage, and the divisions wracking Britain today, you seek to pass undercover, incognito, with an alternative screen-name – a sort of digital ‘burkha’ – in an attempt to conceal your shame!
You thought you’d taken the tide at the flood, yet now we’re all living bound in shallows and miseries. Y Sr. Justles, cuentanos, donde está la caridad Cristiana en esta decepción y duplicidad??
I move.August 18, 2020 at 6:58 pm #193534
I may well be wrong BRI but JI may have diverged from your viewpoint as soon as you dropped in ‘liberally minded’. Given he has some potentially controversial takes on the US political scene (and I trust that to mean within this small number of posters over here), I’m reaching that conclusion. I’m having to second guess of course, as he’s not prepared to air those thoughts on here. The only thing that I find a little annoying is that a perceived set of lefties, rather than a number of individuals with individual views that happen to be left leaning and that don’t know each other beyond this forum, seem to be implied as the cause of his closure. And that’s unfortunate.August 19, 2020 at 2:52 pm #193589
What’s that sound wandering over from the North? Is it the sound of TW dropping the stylus on a Paul Simon record I hear?August 19, 2020 at 3:44 pm #193594
I may well be wrong BRI but JI may have diverged from your viewpoint as soon as you dropped in ‘liberally minded’. Given he has some potentially controversial takes on the US political scene (and I trust that to mean within this small number of posters over here), I’m reaching that conclusion. I’m having to second guess of course, as he’s not prepared to air those thoughts on here. The only thing that I find a little annoying is that a perceived set of lefties, rather than a number of individuals with individual views that happen to be left leaning and that don’t know each other beyond this forum, seem to be implied as the cause of his closure. And that’s unfortunate.
I suspect the controversial stance will be related to Israel, given the comments made by JI in the past. In which case, I urge him to listen to what Biden and Harris have said about Israel and not the simplistic and false portrayals by Republicans. Both are pro-Israel and against anti-Semitism. The likes of Ilhan Omar don’t represent the core of the Democratic Party and we should not judge them as a whole based on them. And it’s not like Trump’s Israel stance is tied to any kind of principle, and this article is a good read on that:
To be honest, this board is not being helped by the conspiratorial accusations by Gurnelista that there is a shadowy cabal of forum users orchestrated by Lesgeo and family. They may have been more active politically here once, but I think we need to be more grounded in treating people with different views. I see no similarities with JI and Les beyond a shared faith and JI’s version of Christianity differs to that of Les, who may be a creationist, if I am not mistaken?
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