August 14, 2020 at 11:20 pm #193343
How anyone can think a Labour government over this bunch of incompetents could be any worse.August 14, 2020 at 11:28 pm #193344
It seems anything and everything they get near turns to s***. Day after day, week after week of ineptitude and insular planning.August 14, 2020 at 11:32 pm #193345
Mark my words, as long as this version of a Tory government is in control, this country is f***ed.August 15, 2020 at 10:53 am #193353
It does seem impossible, but they are getting worse, policy by policy, decision by decision. Only this Government could announce an increase in student loan interest rates during the week that they have completely wrecked the dreams and opportunities of thousands of young people.
My niece’s future career in the bioscience industry ruined because she went to a state school and had her grades dropped by an algorithm and a sad excuse of a man, Williamson.
Will he be sacked for this mess, NO!!August 15, 2020 at 11:12 am #193357
It’s a hypothetical question because we’ll never know. However I reckon our village WI would have made a better job of it.
IMO the mind boggling thing is the number of people who actually voted them into power last winter.
It was bleeding obvious that Johnson and Co would lie their way through anything and everything. That they care not a jot about what the public think and that their only interest is self-interest.
Yet they are returned with a sizeable majority! Mind boggling indeed.August 15, 2020 at 11:26 am #193361BloodyRubbishIronParticipantOffline
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I think it would be had to argue against the current Labour shadow cabinet being worse, but Corbyn, Abbott, Burgon and co could well have been, given their own ineptness.
However, this should be no excuse for the shambolic performance of this government who seem to make every decision a panic on the fly. What’s baffling about the A level fiasco is that they have had months to think of a solution and seemingly didn’t realise its importance until a day before, and they didn’t learn from the Scottish example a week before. Did Williamson live as a hermit for a week? Did he think the problem which left the SNP embarrassed and backpedalling wouldn’t affect England and Wales?
Heath: I’m sorry to hear that. I hope your niece can figure something out, through appeal or whatever. It truly is a disgrace how shambolic incompetence seems to be forgiven by this government and rewarded if they’re loyal to Johnson.August 15, 2020 at 1:26 pm #193371
The University have also downgraded her and offered her another course. She has accepted that so she is better placed than some.
Why the hell for a one off year couldn’t they just honour the course offers that were made earlier in the year.
Her ability has not changed. The only thing that has is the algorithm!!
This Government wants to meddle with everything. The only reason is because they can!!!August 15, 2020 at 2:42 pm #193373
Hope she’s accepted a different course that she’s happy with Heath. It’s so much money and debt these days I can understand those that don’t accept alternative courses if it doesn’t work for them. This government, so much to answer for.August 15, 2020 at 4:02 pm #193376BloodyRubbishIronParticipantOffline
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I hope she’s happy with that; it seems unfair that the child’s first choice is gone because of an algorithm which has many flaws. This is what stinks. Those defending it say that it’s based on statistical analysis on what’s likely to occur in an exam scenario. Maybe; not every child predicted to achieve a grade will get that grade, but it stinks when this is because of an estimate, not because the child underachieved in an exam. Exams are not perfect, but at least you can get over flunking through the assumption that they are fair. This is based heavily on assumptions that the child would flunk and that is harder to take, especially when private schools see a 4% increase in grades, compared to a 40% decrease in state schools. It reeks of bias within the system.
It’s an awful predicament the government have put 18 year olds in because they’re too lazy and incompetent to have foresight for exam results day. They made righteous talk about getting children back to school, which isn’t to be sniffed at as it is important, but any concern they have over this feels hollow when they didn’t bother to think of a satisfactory solution for a grading system in the absence of exams.
In France they have graded children based on expected grades. I don’t get why they couldn’t have done that here. Yes, there’s the risk of higher than average high grades, but it’s been an extremely tough year for those trying to make something of their A levels, and we should cut them some slack with the hardness of the situation. I don’t think it would be grossly unfair to judge their capabilities based on this, certainly when the algorithm has caused some problematic outcomes for students who may have been on course for better than what they achieved.
I also think the universities, in many cases, could have been more understanding. I find it ridiculous that the majority of Oxford and Cambridge colleges have withdrawn offers from students who were on course for Oxbridge when they would have been interviewed by now! If they have interviewed them and seen their predicted outcomes then surely they have an idea as to their capability which goes beyond an algorithm?August 15, 2020 at 6:04 pm #193378
I think the universities are shit scared of this Government (Cummings) as there is no telling what they will do.
They have had it easy for a few years, guaranteed 9k per year per UK student and up to 50-60k per foreign student. This has allowed them to invest heavily in new over priced student accommodation all backed by a ridiculous student loan Ponzi scheme.
No algorithm can predict how hard a student will study and perform in an exam or how many students will flunk their exams. Outcome is that students are being judged by their post code and the average performance of how students performed over the previous 3 years. They won’t want to take on the Government.
Using mock results for appeals are an obvious mockery. A large proportion of students would not have revised for them and could not have predicted a global pandemic – it took Johnson until April to grasp what was going on after getting a dose of it.
She is not happy and will appeal, but has taken what’s on offer as so many will have to do. Clearly the Government has decided to battle through this shambles rather than lose face to give a bit of slack to a bright 18 year old with a keen interest in bioscience!!
Please throw an egg at any Tory who dares to again use the catchphrase “levelling up “!!
The fact that the patronising pillock Johnson called the review of results as “robust” proves there is a problem. Surely it was “world beating”!!August 15, 2020 at 10:08 pm #193396
I have thus far avoided commenting on the subject of the A Level debacle as I am so bloody angry I didn’t think I was able to put together a coherent post. However!
This action has seen what we all know to be an underhand and divisive government sink to yet another low. To quote the late Aneurin Bevan “No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So as far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.”
He said that in 1948, and so to bring things up do date I’ll quote you Dominic Cummings – “A child’s performance has more to do with genetic makeup than the standard of his or her education.”
Now this is interesting because it is basically eugenics and goes some way to explaining why pupils in private schools had their grades accepted or even upped whilst those in the state sector witnessed the opposite.
The Conservatives have been slapping teachers in the face since the Thatcher era (I was teaching in a state school during the ministry of Kenneth Baker), but this isn’t so much a slap in the face as a full force kick in the teeth with a safety boot!
What is being said here is that we (the government) don’t trust you (the teachers). You are over estimating these grades to make yourselves look better teachers than you actually are. So we will downgrade your predictions to teach you a lesson.
It is about control. In fact this government is all about control. If it were a business it would be seen as bullying in the workplace. We have already seen it in the NHS. Now it’s the turn of education. I wonder which sector will be next?
I could continue for hours about the wasted time spent putting together these predicted grades. About working life being as far removed from an A Level exam as the Tories are from reality, but I won’t. I’ll pour a glass of Rioja and put on some music.August 15, 2020 at 10:35 pm #193397
Thanks NI for putting together a post that was coherent and an accurate reading of what motivates the Tories to do the things they do.
The election result has restored the order as they see it. They are not going to miss this opportunity given to them by the idiots who voted for them.
They must be laughing their heads off every day about how easy it was and is to fool the public. Cummings knew and knows which strings to pull to get the gullible and prejudiced voters to do what he wants them to.August 15, 2020 at 10:45 pm #193398August 16, 2020 at 12:51 am #193399
IMHO, all the points made and views expressed by BRI, NI,and Heath above are far more ‘robust’ than anything Johnson and Co could ever fabricate. Travesties like this are beyond debate and it’s illogical to assume that a healthy forum must include alternative views when frankly those views would be ludicrous.August 16, 2020 at 1:00 am #193400
The bottom line is this shambles is demeaning, cruel, elitist, demoralising, dangerous and serves the economy no use whatsoever. How is Williamson still in that post FFS!?August 16, 2020 at 1:50 pm #193421vaderParticipantOffline
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The question should not be how is Williamson still in post but how did he ever get appointed (cronyism ?).
It becomes more evident as every day passes that this bunch of conservative politicians is just as bad as what was presented at the election by the Labour Party and it is possible that if the election was rerun today with Starmer as leader the result would be much closer. However in my opinion the Labour Party made themselves unelectable with Corbyn as leader, so there is little point in bleating how labour would be doing better when they chose the wrong option and self destructed, Labour need to concentrate on reforming to get them into a competitive position at the next election, and it does seem this is happening especially as it’s rumoured that Corbyn will be ousted in the next few days.
The entire exam fiasco does need reviewing and Boris/ Williamson need to ask the Sturgeon woman for a portion each of her humble pie.
Additionally if Cummings comment regards genetics being more relevant tha education standard as commented on above then he needs to go.August 16, 2020 at 5:05 pm #193422
It’s not ‘bleating’ to make a point as I did in the OP. I agree that if the election was re-run today it would be far closer. But IMO that’s as much to do with 8 months of Johnsom / Cummings led incompetence as it is Corbyn’s unpopularity.August 16, 2020 at 5:15 pm #193424
Where did you read this rumour about Corbyn being ousted in the next few days Vader? I can only see one mention that he might be next month and that’s in the Express. Hardly reliable is it?August 16, 2020 at 5:45 pm #193425
Since when did IDS appoint himself as the Tory grandee and expert on absolutely every effing thing.
Failed Tory leader, failure in the introduction of Universal Credit. The man that George Osborne described as thick. The man who claimed Brexit would be easy, the Irish border problem was not a problem, no border needed because of imaginary technology, the French and the Germans will cave in, WTO is the way to go and a shed load more lies and nonsense!!
Delighted with the news that PHE was getting the blame for all the Government’s mistakes former cabinet member Sir Iain Duncan Smith said: ‘The one thing consistent about Public Health England is that almost everything it has touched has failed.’
Try looking in the mirror you thick, pompous ******* and once you’ve done that take a look at Grayling, Williamson, Hanc**k, Honest Bob Jenrick, Truss, Whately, Michael Green, Ms Patel and then have another look at yourself in the mirror- dickhead!!August 16, 2020 at 9:20 pm #193429
You missed off Shapps.August 16, 2020 at 11:04 pm #193430
Shapps IS Michael Green, see link below for his alter ego. Totally trustworthy, the man who flew to Spain knowing he would have to fly back pretending he didn’t know about the quarantine. What a hero!!August 17, 2020 at 12:08 pm #193432
So, he repeatedly lied about this and instructed lawyers to oppose a constituent and political rival who claimed he did? And nothing being done about this either? ShamefulAugust 17, 2020 at 2:36 pm #193446
Unbelievable stuff isn’t it? Titles himself as the Rt. Hon!
It’s the new measure of respect for this Cabinet. The better you are at lying builds up “trust” from Johnson. He can trust you to tell lies for him.
Johnson- cabinet minister sacked for lying.
Patel – cabinet minister sacked for lying.
Shapps – proven liar.
Williamson – cabinet minister sacked for supposedly leaking confidential information.
Jenrick – illegally overturning a planning decision.
Hancock – inventing numbers about tests and trace.
Gibb – repeating proven false data about test and trace.
Backed up by foot soldiers like IDS, Zawali, Cleverly, Lewis and Whately who will say anything they are told to and defend the indefensible.
Rather than clear the swamp, your worth is how far you are prepared to go to survive in the swamp!August 17, 2020 at 4:41 pm #193450
So the bunch of incompetents have bowed to public pressure on the tails of Scotland and Wales, yet again, and done a complete u-turn. For the sake of the 40% downgraded after all this stress, what took ya?! How Williamson has not resigned is shameful.
That clown IDS today on LBC saying schools should be allowed to use mocks or assessments. Mocks? Mocks?! What a cretin!! Clearly demonstrating he knows F all about the implications of using mock results for setting grades. They open their mouths and s*** falls out.August 17, 2020 at 4:47 pm #193451
Anybody who might be tempted to think the phrase ‘never trust a Tory’ is baseless, just look at the evidence since Johnson was elected.August 17, 2020 at 8:42 pm #193459GurnelistaParticipantOffline
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A powerful thread. Truth spoken here.
What are those northerners who ‘lent’ their votes to the Tories saying now?August 18, 2020 at 9:51 am #193477
“What could have been in the prime minister’s mind that led him to appoint so mere, so unreliable, so wholly unsuitable a man to one of the most important jobs in government?”
Not me this time, but the Tory grandee Nicholas Soames (relative of Churchill for the benefit of our Brexit chums).
I have just witnessed the most pathetic, factually inaccurate (lies) and a somewhat creepy performance from Williamson who claimed he was not aware of issues until the weekend.
The Sky interviewer completely destroyed his argument, by pointing out that the select committee and education specialists had been predicting this mess for months.
All of this has apparently passed Williamson by. All this achieved was to add ignorance to the other offences on the charge sheet of this idiot.
Will Johnson sack him? Clearly the answer is no, because Johnson also claimed at the weekend that the algorithm was robust. Expect offqual to be disbanded and added to the public health, test and trace department all led by the “highly qualified” Dido Harding.
The other reason why he will not be sacked is Johnson is again too busy to run the country, he’s on holiday!!August 18, 2020 at 10:00 am #193479
Further to the discussion about being promoted beyond your level of competence, Dr Rant is on the case:August 18, 2020 at 10:35 am #193483
the “highly qualified” Dido Harding.
And of course, hubby John Penrose!
Boris has just found out what happens when you form your cabinet from sycophants and toadies rather than those with some ability.
He’s also found out how far he can go before the public turn against him.August 18, 2020 at 11:40 am #193489vaderParticipantOffline
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If the government had any credibility left the events of the last few days have just blown it away, totally incompetent and lacking credibility.
Unfortunately with their huge majority nothing meaningful can be done about it for a long time.
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