May 18, 2021 at 1:02 pm #207278
How can anyone take you seriously, Gurny? The simple truth is that you’ve been found out. You trot out the ‘gaslighting’ routine and then make gross generalisations as though they’re some sort of fact. It’s actually entertaining and very funny to read your “analysis”. The sad thing is that you really believe it, don’t you. I’m surprised you don’t report me to the authorities as a dangerous murderer or something. Then again, maybe you have. Nothing would surprise me.
“What I’m saying is that socialists are more likely to be atheist.”
I’ve no idea what the actual numbers are but I’m an atheist and know a whole load of people with similar political views to mine who are also atheists. As for the politics of such arguments I heard a piece on Radio 4 the other day when someone claimed it was impossible to be a socialist unless you are an atheist. It was one of the daftest pieces I’ve heard in a long time.
Good point, NI, re women and children. Quite how anyone can justify these things at all, let alone in the name of religion is beyond me.May 18, 2021 at 1:47 pm #207281
When Islamists attack the UK we hear that they’re not true Muslims from the libtards and atheist extremists!
Over simplification. One could also say “would a real Christian walk into a school and shoot two dozen children dead?
Before the pandemic I was at my daughter’s in Manchester. We were on Market St on a Saturday afternoon and all the religious groups were out. The JW lot were suited and booted and an old guy was shouting at us from beneath a placard that informed us that we were all “Satan’s Cattle”!
There was also a stall where a group of young Muslims were handing out leaflets. “No thanks, I’m not religious” I told the lad who held one out to me. “No, it’s not about that” was his reply. They were trying to alleviate worries regarding Islamic terrorism (it wasn’t long after the Manchester Arena bombing). He started to explain that Islam was a peaceful religion and that the Jihadists were not representative of the majority of Muslims.
I told him I admired what they were doing but felt they were fighting a losing battle as most Brits would have made up their minds long ago.
Big J obviously has.May 18, 2021 at 2:27 pm #207283BloodyRubbishIronParticipantOffline
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The difference between the shooter and the Islamist is that the former may not be motivated to do their deed for religion, whereas the latter is. This does show that religion’s ability to instil agreeable moral codes is not good, but it would be unfair to blame the shooter’s actions on religious reasoning if the motivation is not there.
While I support the rights of Muslims and do not subscribe to the idea that most are jihadis in waiting, there is a clear issue within the religion for extremism. The Islamists are, unfortunately, ‘true Muslims’ just as much as the more peaceful ones (who form a greater majority) are.
I find the attempts to try and frame who is a true Muslim or not to be as flawed as when BPG tells us Catholics aren’t real Christians. The motivations may be sympathetic, and I would certainly rather side with those leafleters over any Islamist, but the religion clearly allows for a hateful interpretation. I am sure they would also be able to cite various hadiths and quotes from the Koran which they would say shows they’re correct and these peaceful leafleters are infidels too.
However, none of this is helped by ridiculous conspiracies about atheists being an Islamist fifth column or whatever from Big J. I suspect he doesn’t see anything as anti-Muslim and would gladly lump in apologia for Islamic issues with genuine hatred for Muslims.May 18, 2021 at 4:22 pm #207284GurnelistaParticipantOffline
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You trot out the ‘gaslighting’ routine and then make gross generalisations…
Your gaslighting is obvious to all, BI. But you’re in denial about it. So, check for the characteristics/symptoms of NPD on any reliable medical website, and see if you can find one, any single one, which doesn’t apply. Then, report back, OK, and we’ll all have some sport seeing you wriggle!
Elsewhere, BJ mentions the cult of ‘anything goes’.
Which one’s that, then, BJ???
It sounds like you prefer being told what to do, how to live, and what to think. But then, many people do. ‘Tell me what to think and I’ll think it!’, is their mantra.
Luckily, a place exists where where you don’t have to think about anything. You just do as you’re told. Plus, there are no bills to pay, free meals and a roof over your head.
It’s called prison.
Really, this site’s getting worse and worse, there are so many posters who evidently belong in an institution of some kind.
On second thoughts, maybe they’re already inside, and this is what it’s done to them….May 18, 2021 at 5:14 pm #207287
Whilst we’re discussing prison, there was of course the 2013 “Jailhouse Jesus” survey of US prisoners where only 0.07% of the 1.5 million inmates classed themselves as atheist.
Around 55% said they belonged to the main two Christian religions. Many had “Found God” whilst serving their sentences.May 18, 2021 at 5:24 pm #207290
I’m not in denial about anything, Gurny. I could point at hundreds of comments on this board, not least from you aimed at me, and say exactly the same thing about gaslighting. Everyone on here says things that can very easily be construed in exactly the same way. You can never see irony, of course, but what you’re doing at the moment is gaslighting.
Do you seriously think I care? The sad thing is that I think you do. It really matters to you, doesn’t it. You really want to get at me. Well, keep trying. It’s very entertaining.May 18, 2021 at 5:36 pm #207291SideriteParticipantOffline
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Bucksiron loves citing the flaws of others as an excuse for continued bad behaviour and distorting what people say for his sake. :-)
1 user thanked author for this post.May 18, 2021 at 6:52 pm #207296Deereyme66ParticipantOffline
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‘I’m surprised you don’t report me to the authorities’
More likelihood of you doing that I think Bucks. You’re the poster round here with a track record of asking Admin to ban certain posters, if former moderator ‘the 99%’ is to be believed, and I see no reason not to. You may recall he dropped that nugget in to a previous post? Strange actions for someone who really doesn’t care what people think.May 18, 2021 at 7:14 pm #207300
And we also have the implied and pathetic threats of taking legal action. Of course he is the only one on here who could afford to pay a lawyer!!May 18, 2021 at 8:58 pm #207301GurnelistaParticipantOffline
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A Doctor writes:
As a doctor I am frequently asked “Doctor, how can I learn to see and respect the points of view of others?”
Of course, the answer is quite simple. If the patient is full of his own self-importance, gaslighting others, arrogantly belittling and accusing them of saying things they haven’t, then people will react, and the patient’s self-esteem is going to take a battering.
Taking the right baby steps can help make life more rewarding and enjoyable, so they should recognize that the problem lies at home and not with someone else. Accept that there are others far more knowledgeable, from paleoclimatology to the roads of Scunthorpe. Avoid unhealthy foods, sweet drinks and alcohol. Do voluntary work. Sell the Big Issue. Stop saving money on electricity bills by gaslighting.
© A doctor (I used to be a narcissist, but now look at me!)May 18, 2021 at 10:23 pm #207307
The Marxist has spoken – but silent when Big J’s post hits him right between the eyes.May 18, 2021 at 11:41 pm #207308
Big Joke comes on here just for a punch up, he posts false facts and downright lies when it suits him yet won’t answer points raised back to him. I can see why your attracted to such a staunch ally of yours bill as he backs you up which is fine but he is just so flaky and his points are vague at best and just untrue on a few occasions. Why did God murder so many people by drowning them BTW, never did get a reply.May 18, 2021 at 11:56 pm #207310Fifty PenceParticipantOffline
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Why did God murder so many people by drowning them
And why did god try and hide the evidence (by making the geology look like a large, but not extraordinary, flood around some of Mount Ararat’s river basins) but allow the story make it into the bibble ?May 18, 2021 at 11:56 pm #207311
Still waiting for his holiness to answer this one from yesterday…
…. why is it that for a whole two centuries after the date commonly given for the time of Jesus (the reign of the Emperor Tiberius) there is no record of the name. Not by any Greek, Roman or Egyptian historian, scholar, politician, philosopher or poet. His name never occurs in a single inscription nor has it been found in any piece of personal correspondence?May 19, 2021 at 8:06 am #207312Big JParticipantOffline
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Noah’s flood was necessary because humanity was full of sin and debauchery! God made a promise to the righteous Noah that a flood would be needed to right the wrongs of man, so that humanity could learn and God wouldn’t need to flood the Earth again!May 19, 2021 at 8:23 am #207313
I nearly didn’t reply to you post NI (trying to say Jesus Christ wasn’t a historic person)
Historians are unanimous in the view that Jesus Christ was a historic person.
I’ve picked one post typical of this fact-
“Ancient evidence for Jesus from non- Christian sources.”May 19, 2021 at 8:46 am #207314
To argue from positions of neutrality to try and convince one side is right and the other is wrong is not the case when discussing Christianity.
The rebel sinner is not neutral ,he is hostile to God,he will not accept God into his life,he is suppressing the truth in unrighteousness and until he repents and believes in Jesus Christ as his saviour he will remain like that.
There are probably many many non- believers who are more moral than me no doubt,there is nothing in me that deserves being in the presence of God- my only defence is trust in Jesus Christ as my saviour.May 19, 2021 at 9:08 am #207316
Noah’s flood was necessary because humanity was full of sin and debauchery! God made a promise to the righteous Noah that a flood would be needed to right the wrongs of man, so that humanity could learn and God wouldn’t need to flood the Earth again!
Humanity has always been full of sin, it’s called humanity, why destroy the entire infrastructure of the planet by flooding the whole world which would have taken many decades to get over before any semblance of normality returned. Why not send the same death he sent to Egypt’s first born?, that went pretty well in getting ” his people ” freed from slavery. Nothing adds up in religion and here’s the deal, it’s a fairy story it never happened, this loving forgiving God is “just a hoax”( to quote the world’s current biggest liar ) which gave power and superiority over the majority by the rich and powerful. The world will be full of sin until it exists no more so in truth God’s great experiment has failed, what a loser. Bet he’s a Tory too.May 19, 2021 at 9:24 am #207317
What is sin?May 19, 2021 at 10:12 am #207318
“There are probably many many non- believers who are more moral than me no doubt”.
You are right about this and you have provided enough proof with your many discriminatory posts on here.May 19, 2021 at 10:22 am #207319
Name one.May 19, 2021 at 10:27 am #207320
Noah’s flood was necessary because humanity was full of sin and debauchery!
So it isn’t now, then? Why haven’t we had another one since? Is Covid God’s way of getting rid of the debauched?
Noah’s Ark – going on the dimensions given in Genesis it’s capacity was a little over 39,000 m2. A low estimate would calculate 3 million different species on Earth (remember evolution doesn’t exist). So that’s two of each plus Noah’s family making over six million to fit into 39,000 m2 of space.
Each creature had 6.5 mm2 of space to move around in. Just let that sink in for a minute.
40 days of rain. On Hawaii in 1939/40 it rained for 331 days! You don’t believe in climate change but you think 40 days of rain will destroy all life on the planet? Have a word with yourself. Was Noah the only bloke on Earth who had a boat? No! Fairy Story.
Historians are unanimous in the view that Jesus Christ was a historic person.
Not quite unanimous. The historical truth behind the Jesus character is similar to that of our own King Arthur. He was supposed to live in the 6th Century but does not appear in historical accounts or literature until the 9th Century. The Arthurian legends have been rewritten a number of times with certain omissions and additions. Much like the Gospels. You could say exactly the same about Robin Hood. First written about over a century later. I’d sooner follow the teachings of those two any day!
And even if Jesus was a living person the back-story is much, much older. At least 3,000 years older. Back to the Babylonian god Nimrod and the Egyptian Horus, who was born of a virgin under a star in the east. He walked on water, healed the sick, restored sight, was crucified but rose from the dead! The same basic story holds true for the Indian god Krishna, Dionysus and Mithras who was popular with the Roman legionaries on Hadrian’s Wall.
As I said the other day, Christianity is just a software update and the Bible is like a software license. Christians don’t read it all, they just scroll down to the end and click on “accept”!
What is sin?
There’s no such thing as sin. People do good things and bad things but it is not “sin” in a religious sense.
That’s a myth. The concept of sin is a recruitment process to get you to join an organisation that will have control over your actions.
Leaders of this organisation and fellow believers will tell you that you have an imaginary problem and, coincidentally, they just happen to have a magical cure for it!
It may involve prayer. Do you pray BJ & BPG?May 19, 2021 at 10:42 am #207321GreylagParticipantOffline
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…Big J….full of sin and debauchery..NI…So it isn’t now,then?….BPG….What is sin?….NI…..THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS SIN???
1 user thanked author for this post.May 19, 2021 at 11:28 am #207323
By the way NI,you say people do “ good things and bad things”,who’s authority should we use to decide things are “ good or bad”?May 19, 2021 at 11:39 am #207324Big JParticipantOffline
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God promised to never do it again, then made the ultimate sacrifice in sending His son to die for our sins, showing sin can be forgiven if we put our trust and faith in Jesus Christ.
We have God’s knowledge and God’s kindness. There is nothing God can do to save us from the debauchery and sin which floods this world.May 19, 2021 at 12:37 pm #207330
Completely wrong, Deerey and Heath, what a surprise. I complained to the moderator because of repeated accusations about lying, which were completely ignored. I raised the same point from a legal perspective because false accusations of lying are libellous.
If you doubt me just try accusing Peter Swann of being a liar. He would, quite rightly, be very likely to go after you.
Gurny, I’m getting quite concerned about your obsessive behaviour. You should try cognitive behavioural therapy.May 19, 2021 at 12:42 pm #207331
It reads Big Joke like the earth and human race were a huge experiment by God that hasn’t worked out because humans haven’t acted they way God wanted them too. His blueprint was wrong then, he fuc***d up bigtime, not too clever from a God who knows everything about everything. Are you sure God isn’t just another version of Buck’s?, was Buck’s the template God wanted us all to be like? Fascinating.May 19, 2021 at 12:43 pm #207332
Peter Swann is a recognisable public figure. You are an anonymous blank avatar. And Pat was correct!!May 19, 2021 at 1:26 pm #207337
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