August 2, 2021 at 9:39 am #211220alcazarParticipantOffline
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Topics: 44August 2, 2021 at 9:46 am #211222
Ah, yes, the winter shouldn’t exist with climate change arguments. Meanwhile average temperatures, globally (not just in Brisbane and east Australia), rise year on year and disturbed climate patterns occur.
It’s the same kind of ignorant ‘gotchas’ from the deniers as when the Polar vortex of the Arctic moves southwards (because of warming Poles).August 2, 2021 at 9:56 am #211224
Well it’s Murdoch’s gang so it’s cherry picked info which is the usual way with Sky, Fox, etc etc but in truth it just scratches the surface of the overall problem which they don’t and will not address. This has been discussed ad nauseam but it’s not in Murdoch’s interest to pursue the truth, he’s a business man a money maker a power freak, he’s not interested in doing something about climate change he’s interested in making money and keeping the world in its state of unfairness and ignorance, he likes it that way. These people like Murdoch and Trump don’t care because with them it’s all me me me and anyway even they realise they will be dead soon so why should they change things. It’s a crap video alcy, can’t you see that?August 2, 2021 at 10:27 am #211226August 2, 2021 at 10:39 am #211228
Football club owner = untrustworthy. Owner of News Corp = trustworthy.
1 user thanked author for this post.August 2, 2021 at 11:29 am #211230
Why do all of Alcy’s video clips feature a presenter who sounds like a complete tool?August 2, 2021 at 12:10 pm #211237
Why do all of Alcy’s video clips feature a presenter who sounds like a complete tool?
Because they are? His monotone voice was enough to induce sleep after about twenty seconds, rather appropriate considering his misinterpretation of the subject matter.August 3, 2021 at 1:43 am #211297
Bucky isnt coming back BRIan give it a rest you won’t recindle that loveAugust 7, 2021 at 12:56 pm #211470
First time I’ve looked on here for months.
It’s very interesting re climate change, however, because chickens are now coming home to roost and the reality of net-zero is starting to bite. The Government’s plans to introduce heat pumps are being delayed for years because the politicians have finally realised the true costs involved. They won’t come down regardless of volume because the changes needed to people’s homes to accommodate them are very high — it’s not just the boiler that needs replacing but the entire central heating system, while radiators would need to be enormous to achieve the same heat output. Bonkers.
The true costs of electric vehicles are also starting to hit people. First, you have to own the things for years before they deliver any kind of cost savings or even any environmental benefits. Second, the Government will be over £35bn down in revenue without existing fuel duty, so those costs will have to be factored in. Third, how exactly are millions of people going to charge them — ever looked at today’s streets full of parked cars, especially in cities? Fourth, how exactly are millions of people going to charge their cars on even a reasonably long journey given the number of charging points required? Fifth, how is the National Grid going to cope given it’s already creaking at the seams and given the move to electric heating? I could go on and on…
Quite frankly people such as myself no longer need to argue about the absurdity of what net-zero means. The realities are starting to speak for themselves. Joe Public isn’t as stupid as the politicians believe and any political party that attempts to achieve this will never be elected. The reality of this is just starting to hit the Tories, with a lot of MPs now thinking twice about supporting what Boris claims he’s going to do.
The idea that energy prices will come down in the future because of “cheap” renewable energy is just one great big lie. If people are worried about the latest hike just wait until the real costs of net-zero start to kick-in. I’m not gaslighting when I say that anyone supporting net-zero is supporting massive fuel bill rises and pushing more people into poverty with far lower living standards. These are simply the facts.
Nothing will stop climate change, the vast majority of which is simply down to Mother Nature doing what she’s always done and will always do.August 7, 2021 at 1:28 pm #211471
Welcome back Buck’s, despite your usual twaddle on climate change its nice to hear from you again. Two questions, will Big Joke stop posting now you have resurfaced ( hmmmm ) and will you be at GP this afternoon cheering on the Iron?August 7, 2021 at 2:05 pm #211473
Just as tedious and ridiculous as always. Still with the God/naturedidit arguments, despite the lack of any evidence for the natural causes. Yawn.August 7, 2021 at 5:40 pm #211491
BRIan will be happy now Bucky is back but the rest wont be. how long before he does his usual tantrums and leaveAugust 7, 2021 at 6:06 pm #211499
Don’t worry, I’m not staying. No idea who “Big Joke” is, but it certainly isn’t me if that’s what’s being implied.
People can claim what I say is tedious and/or ridiculous. Ultimately, facts are facts and the facts are that people simply won’t be prepared to pay the inevitable costs of trying to get to net zero. There’s nothing complicated about this, just very straightforward arithmetic when you actually delve into the costs involved.
I’d say there’s pretty much zero chance that net zero will happen. What’s more it doesn’t need to. The claims being made about climate change are becoming more and more absurd. The world isn’t going to end as Greta likes to claim and we’re not going to be submerged by massive sea level rises.
There are perfectly sound natural reasons to explain what’s happening with the weather and climate, but they don’t attract massive funding. Either way the facts will play out.August 7, 2021 at 6:30 pm #211504
Clueless as always. You have yet to provide any natural variable which is present, and despite agreeing with climate change apparently happening, there is denial of effects from climate change (sea level rise). It’s little to be surprised when he thought Obama buying a house next to the sea which is not forecast to be submerged during his life time was an argument against it.August 7, 2021 at 6:32 pm #211505
Hope that wasn’t you lobbing the smoke bomb on the pitch today Buck’s, I know what a rebel you are, what with all this climate change denial nonsense of yours.August 7, 2021 at 8:21 pm #211515
There are two issues brought up by Bucks’s post.
Let’s take his last sentence first. The continued denialist stance that does him no favours. If he can’t accept that 1.2 billion road vehicles aren’t contributing to climate change, or that mass deforestation isn’t having any effect then he really is climbing into bed with the conspiracy theory nut-jobs.
However, to his credit he does raise some issues that are worthy of discussion, namely the cost of tackling the problem once passed on to the man in the street. Undoubtedly this will be a problem both in cost and practicality and perhaps this is what we should be concentrating on rather than arguing what percentage on climate change is natural and what is man made.
And why is tackling climate change going to be such a problem? Because governments have been dithering for decades. You can’t just announce a 10/15 year timescale to save the planet, it should have been in place years ago.
We know that even the smallest rise in temperature can cause severe weather but we are in this country still building on the flood plains of rivers (I witnessed it last week). We are still altering our natural landscapes in order to bring in revenue from grouse shooting and caravan parks.
Boris Johnson doesn’t care about Climate Change or Global Warming. He takes a photo opportunity, makes a hollow promise then sods off!
He won’t have to make any sacrifices or shell out extra costs, that burden will fall upon those who can least afford it. The ones who globally are affected the most.
Electric cars have no emissions, fine, but they’re still made from steel, plastic and rubber. Plenty of adverts for electric cars on tv, not so many for sustainable or public transport.
I do question whether the government’s actions are serious measures to combat climate change or merely short term appeasement packages.August 8, 2021 at 12:15 am #211529
Bucks says he’s not staying around, which is a shame. As I said the other day, at least he provides debate, compared to the trolls, parody accounts and far right on here.
1 user thanked author for this post.August 8, 2021 at 10:09 am #211544
I agree with pretty much everything you say, NI.
There are issues with how we adapt to a changing climate and uncomfortable questions need to be asked as to how we find alternatives to reliance on fossil fuels and other CO2 sources without making it unfair and hard for the poor.
These are all worthy of debate. However, Bucks combines it with his denial, so any attempt to acknowledge anthropogenic climate change has you lumped in with a group who leads to the suffering of the poor. It should be possible to acknowledge climate change and push for alternatives, while concerning yourself over how this impacts others. However, with Bucks you will always be gaslit and straw manned into a position where it’s either pretend climate change isn’t happening to any great extent (as evident by his dismissal of things like sea level rise, despite allegedly not being a denier) or force the poor into greater poverty with high energy prices. It’s therefore impossible to debate with him, because there can be no attempt at nuance when everyone who disagrees is some out of touch liberal elitist who cannot possibly acknowledge challenges with things like net zero carbon.
All the scientists who disagree are money grabbers after government research funds, which are being budgeted by the government to make the economy more challenging with regards to having to deal with climate change, for some reason. All scientists who disagree are the proper scientists and any questions over some of their funding can be dismissed, because money has to come from somewhere and it doesn’t mean bias.
I don’t see what’s of value debating on this with him, to be honest.August 8, 2021 at 10:26 am #211546
I’ll take it over the aforementioned though.
It’s a shame Bucks position on this aligns more with cranks like Phin rather than people in his own party like Sharma. I guess his answer to that would be ‘well he’s getting paid to say this isn’t he’?August 8, 2021 at 10:39 am #211548
Sadly, you’re probably right BRI.
If he thinks that none of what he lists is a practical solution to the problem then I’d just like him to come up with some alternative suggestions.
But if you don’t think there is a problem in the first place then you don’t need to do that do you?August 8, 2021 at 10:31 pm #211588
I’m sure just like the unprecedented fires that have occurred over a short time scale in Australia, California and now Greece, Buck’s will have a perfectly acceptable explanation which has nothing to do with man made assisted climate change. The human race is so clever according to him that we can’t possibly be at fault.August 8, 2021 at 11:50 pm #211589
It strikes me that Bucks thinks there is a problem, but it’s not such a big problem that contributes to the current trends of global catastrophes. The problem for me is that he’s comfortable with ignoring scientists (because of who they’re in pay of-though the specifics are scant here so it borders on conspiracy theorist territory) when it suits him but presumably is happy to put his faith in scientists when it suits. In other words, make it up as you go along to fit your agenda. That’s what doesn’t hold in my opinion. It’s a flimsy argument.August 8, 2021 at 11:55 pm #211590
And Bucks, if you’re around still, I would ask you to consider what I’ve said above and try and understand this view, which is clearly predominant nowadays. Or is everybody else wrong and you and a dwindling minority right? Because that’s how it appears.August 9, 2021 at 10:44 am #211602Big JParticipantOffline
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The manmade climate change hoax is desperate! They promised us climate disaster, but what we get are forest fires, caused by arsonists and poor management by libtard governments! Speak to anyone with common sense and they will tell you that you need to have controlled fires and burning or removing dead leaf matter to reduce wildfires! Libtards know better in their heads! We can’t do that, because it destroys ecosystems for insects and other animals! The pampered vegan brats live in cloud cuckoo land! What we have seen for their folly is an increase in wildfires, which has nothing to do with so called climate change!August 9, 2021 at 12:06 pm #211608
Where is Buck’s when Adolph surfaces, it’s seems all very convenient because he sounds so familiar but with a more nasty streak running down his back. Wonder if it’s a yellow streak?August 18, 2021 at 12:11 pm #212132
Just ducking in to clarify a couple of points.
First, BRI, I don’t and never have denied that man-made emissions are having an impact on climate change. It’s the size of this impact that I — and many scientists, btw — are questioning. The IPCC is now claiming that man is effectively responsible for everything that’s happening, yet the ONLY evidence for this comes from computer models. You can claim as much as you like that “there’s no other explanation for what’s happening” but such a statement assumes climate change is well understood. The plain truth is that climate is hugely complex and we do NOT understand everything. Indeed, we know more about the moon than we do about the oceans, which play a critical role.
Second, Deerey, I do NOT ignore scientists. What I ignore are the outrageous claims being made on their behalf by the IPCC, the media and environmental zealots. Plenty of scientists have left the IPCC because they do not agree with the way the science is covered in the IPCC reports, which have become one outrageous claim after another.
The great sadness with all of this is that it’s turned climate change into a political battle, which will hit the poorest hardest and deny cheap energy that much of the world needs to lift it out of poverty. If people say that’s “gaslighting”, tough. It’s the reality whether people like it or not.
As I said above the UK is about to find what I’ve been warning about for many years. Energy prices are not going to fall but will rise hugely on top of which the costs of achieving net-zero through things such as heat pumps and EVs will be eyewatering. They won’t even save much carbon as they will still have to be manufactured, run on some sort of energy and things such as batteries use valuable resources that can be very difficult to extract in volume. Living standards will fall and people’s quality of life will suffer — it’s not at all unreasonable to expect electricity usage will have to be rationed while taxes for things such as driving will skyrocket.
What impact will this have on climate change? Pretty much zero and certainly not measurable. It’s totally and utterly crazy. As you are all about to find out.September 2, 2021 at 3:23 pm #213056
Bucks can have all the confidence intervals he likes, the intervals between unprecedented catastrophes would appear to be getting shorter…September 2, 2021 at 4:21 pm #213062
Buckys not here probably crying so youre wasting time DeirdreSeptember 2, 2021 at 4:46 pm #213064
Do you have an actual purpose?September 2, 2021 at 5:23 pm #213066
have you stopped singing to me mr snore
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